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again, cant really pre-decide what it will take can we? it really has to be an in the moment type of decision IMO based on what else was happening at the time. I am not really remembering the play you are talking about, is that the one the Kalil completely was made to look the fool by freeny? if thats the play I think the blame is a bit arguable.
I would say it can be pre determined. I know he's got the backup QB label, but that's like saying Big Ben should have been permanently benched after the Jags game because he was god awful. I know the equity/history of the QB's is different, but Case has been statistically just as good as big ben if not better this year.
Just seems like Zim's got an itchy trigger finger for bridgewater... when our team has won 6 games in a row, and our QB mostly playing lights out and the team is behind Case. makes zero sense to me. every QB has WTF moments, or bad passes throughout the course of the game, and that seems to be the biggest argument against him, that he's not PERFECT.
so is it a WTF moment or is a string of poor moments with a really WTF moment? like I said, it cant be predetermined. would I let him take the second half if he shit the bed in a first half and the game was within 1 score... maybe, 2 scores probably not, 3 scores probably as I wouldnt put Teddy into a shit situation. it really depends the overall picture surrounding the situation.
in the past 9 games, how many times has this happened? i guess it's plausible, but not likely? other than the skins game with two bad passes (in a game he passed for 300 yards and 4td's on the road for the first time since Daunte) he's been pretty damn solid for our team.
uhm... second half of the redskins game. if he had played like that in the first half it would have been Teddys game in the second half I am pretty sure. but he didnt play like that in the first half and that bought him some lee way. he followed it up with a pretty good outing this week so he gets more leash. if he continues to grow and minimize the WTF moments it will be tough to remove him, but it remains to be seen what it would ultimately take.
right- so this entire discussion is based on a game where he had 300 yards and 4 TD's on the road. yes i know the TD's were short, but he still executed them..
because he had two bad passes?
2? Sometimes I wonder if people actually watch the game.
with all due respect, go pound sand. my god. nope we all f***ing post on this have a healthy debate, but nope we dont watch the effing game because it doesnt fit your agenda or we disagree with you.
I hadnt posted in a long time. perhaps i'll stop again. peace out.
Case Vs redskins
11/12 @ ![]() | 72.4 comp % | 304 yards | 4TD | 2 INT | 117.0 |
what a garbage performance, clearly he should be benched.
Quote: @greediron said:
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What amazes me is the lack of trust people have in the coaches that are paid to do this, have their livelihood depend on it and watch them every day.
Nothing amazes me about what people will discuss on a football board. That is what we do. But to think that some man crush would make an NFL coach throw a season down the toilet is rather odd.
TB seemed to learn from his WTF plays and rarely repeated mistakes. But Case and his horseshoe seem to thrive on them, so he isn't exactly cutting out the mistakes.
I hashed it out last week and won't waste more time on it. I think Case is on an unsustainable path. Film and defenses and lady luck will all catch up. That is my opinion and I stand by it. But I enjoy the ride.
I was waiting for this argument to come out.
" The coaches have forgotten more than we'll ever know!"
" Zim sees them every day in practice"
OF COURSE the coaches know more than we do, and have their livelihood dependent on this, but does that exclude them from making biased or incorrect decisions? if that was the case nobody would be fired...
And yes, there are proven cases where a Head Coach has tied his wagon to a QB he loves for whatever reason the reason might be. and When did you see Teddy learn from his WTF moments, two years ago? in a Preseason game against the Chargers? that's what you're basing this off of?
You're certainly entitled to your opinion and i am mine, i guess it boils down to people's faith in Teddy, who has always had a divided fan base regarding how good of an NFL qb he is/will be, despite everyone loving him as a person.
So in other words, you have some preset arguments you are looking to use? Glad we could check that box.
You are amazed that we are debating football on the internet.
And you keep dropping the line that Zim would sacrifice his job because he loves Teddy. That is rather an odd take. The players love playing for Zimmer because he actually cares about them. So for him to talk about how great a young man that Teddy is doesn't mean he would risk his career for that feeling.
As to Teddy learning from his mistakes, that was a common thread in many of the articles I have read on Teddy over the years, and not just Zimmer.
And it doesn't boil down to unreasonable faith in Teddy. It boils down to watching football. I see Case make plenty of WTF plays, but somehow he usually ends up lucky. The "horseshoe theory". Zimmer sees that too. So obviously our eyes are telling us something that a career coach is seeing as well. Is it enough to put a leash on Case? Dunno. That is why we are debating it.
Im going to steal this from someone on another board.
It went something like this.
That pass to Rudy was a thing of beauty.
When Rodgers makes that throw they can see Bucks boner from outer space.
Edit: I should have asked first. was the Rudy pass a WTF play to you like it was to the person who got the above response.
How about the avoid sack pass to Adam, that has been hashed out as well.
So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.
But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
I am definitely a tad confused by all the Teddy love.
Before everyone blasts me, I know he a really great guy and his health comeback is amazing. Having said that I going to throw my two cents in to this thread.
I get the fact that Keenum is a career backup and possibly should be. OTOH, has he ever played on a team with as much surrounding talent? I think he's currently doing an excellent job and no way would I switch QB's.
Funny, maybe I have a short memory but I really don't remember Teddy being an all-world QB by any stretch of the imagination. I know Zimmer loves the guy but like I said I really don't get all the Teddy love. Is he really that good of a QB? Maybe I'm completely off base, wouldn't be the first time.
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So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.
But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
I don't think he's nuts at all for wanting to see Teddy set up behind this line in Shurmur's offense....and not sure why fans wouldn't be just as curious. But that doesn't have to take away from Keenum and what he's done. No way he's getting benched until he tanks a game and brings up a loss. You can feel both ways, but it seems some in this thread are definitely raising the stubborn bar to a new height.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.
But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
Ted didn't take anything.
He just happened to be the QB handing the ball off on a pretty good Defensive team.
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How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basically saved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year.
well not as long as Case keeps doing enough to win. if the trajectory changes I dont think that the team would have any issues with Teddy getting his chance.
Ok but what is the definition of changing the trajectory? Two bad plays? A bad half? A bad game? Two bad games?
Honestly, the next pick he throws, this board is going to freak the hell out. because heaven forbid a QB ever throw an int. Teddy clearly wouldnt have made that pass. (whatever pass it is)
thats hardly a fair statement to make. if its another stare the guy down and throw it anyway pick, or chuck it up for grabs when the pressure gets to hot, yes he will catch some shit, but any QB should in those situations. If its a tipped ball or the defender just makes a good play on a well thrown ball.... well thats football.
Like when Teddy held on to the ball for 8 years against the Cardinals and cost us the game? i understand that's cherry picking. but i was not calling for Teddy to be benched after that game, and we shouldnt call for Case to be benched if he has one poor game.
The difference is that Teddy is the presumptive franchise QB. He was drafted in the first round and appeared well on his way to becoming the QB we drafted him to be. He's the starter and Case is the backup. That's why Case has a short leash and Teddy has gotten and will continue to get a longer one.
It seems some of you have convinced yourselves that Case Keenum has replaced Teddy Bridgewater as the "future of the franchise," which is ridiculous in my opinion. We're riding the hot hand and we'll continue to do so as long as he plays well, but in all likelihood Teddy will eventually return to that role.
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How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basically saved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year.
Bridgewater is a NFL QB, if he can't hack it, so be it and go back to Keenum. Again, if Zimmer feels Bridgewater is the best option, he should go with him. Play the best talent. To paraphrase Zimmer, good enough is the enemy of great.
Isn't a little insulting to the rest of the team to say that Keenum saved the season? I would guess the defense feels like they're a part of the success of the team.
Maybe you should read my post a little closer... I read it. Not really sure what that means. Has Hill saved the season at RT? Harris at S? Backups are suppose to come in and play well, otherwise they shouldn't be the backup.
Well he sure as shit ain't Spurgeon Wynn now is he? I'd say 6 wins in a row with 5 games over 100 rating is pretty fuckin good no?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ golfervike said:
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@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Mike Olson said:
How fair would it be to Bridgewater to ask him to come in after not playing a meaningful football game since Jan 2016 and not screw up the current trajectory? That's a lot of time that he hasn't led a team. And that's a lot of pressure to welcome him back under. If it doesn't work you have a whole locker room full of folks that are going to ask why you went away from a guy that basically saved your season at the QB position. I just don't think we will see Teddy again this year.
well not as long as Case keeps doing enough to win. if the trajectory changes I dont think that the team would have any issues with Teddy getting his chance.
Ok but what is the definition of changing the trajectory? Two bad plays? A bad half? A bad game? Two bad games?
Honestly, the next pick he throws, this board is going to freak the hell out. because heaven forbid a QB ever throw an int. Teddy clearly wouldnt have made that pass. (whatever pass it is)
thats hardly a fair statement to make. if its another stare the guy down and throw it anyway pick, or chuck it up for grabs when the pressure gets to hot, yes he will catch some shit, but any QB should in those situations. If its a tipped ball or the defender just makes a good play on a well thrown ball.... well thats football.
Like when Teddy held on to the ball for 8 years against the Cardinals and cost us the game? i understand that's cherry picking. but i was not calling for Teddy to be benched after that game, and we shouldnt call for Case to be benched if he has one poor game.
The difference is that Teddy is the presumptive franchise QB. He was drafted in the first round and appeared well on his way to becoming the QB we drafted him to be. He's the starter and Case is the backup. That's why Case has a short leash and Teddy has gotten and will continue to get a longer one.
It seems some of you have convinced yourselves that Case Keenum has replaced Teddy Bridgewater as the "future of the franchise," which is ridiculous in my opinion. We're riding the hot hand and we'll continue to do so as long as he plays well, but in all likelihood Teddy will eventually return to that role.
Wouldn't the future franchise QB be under contract for next season.
Or is he not part of the team yet.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
So riddle me this: Teddy takes an AP-centric, archaic Norvel-schemed Offense with a bad Offensive Line and no WRs to 11-5.
But some of you think Zimmer is nuts for wanting to see what he can do with all this talent....
The offensive line wasn't great in 2015, but it was much better than last year's squad. AD didn't lead the league in rushing all by himself. And a rookie Diggs, Wright, Wallace, and Rudolph is not exactly "no WRs". Plus you aren't giving any credit to the defense, which was the 5th ranked scoring defense that year. The offense ranked 16th in points scored.
And I do think he's nuts if he wants to replace a QB who is playing very well and has the team on a 6 game win streak for a QB who hasn't played in a real game in 22 months and in his first two years in the league averaged 212 yards and just under 1 TD per game.
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