Quote: @StickyBun said:
I think its interesting that its very obvious the team would prefer to give Murray the majority of the carries. Dalvin Cook would be having a ROY season behind this line.
It's becoming a topic of debate on what the Vikings will do this off-season with McKinnon/Murray. Jet's deal expires and Murray's deal was designed to have an option for 2018. Cook will obviously be back in the fold. But has Murray done enough to become a trade worth asset?
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
I think its interesting that its very obvious the team would prefer to give Murray the majority of the carries. Dalvin Cook would be having a ROY season behind this line.
It's becoming a topic of debate on what the Vikings will do this off-season with McKinnon/Murray. Jet's deal expires and Murray's deal was designed to have an option for 2018. Cook will obviously be back in the fold. But has Murray done enough to become a trade worth asset?
Murray has played better as of the last month or so, but I still feel better when McKinnon is in the backfield. I hope if they keep one of them, that they find a way to resign McKinnon and trade Murray.
I think unless Murray really steps up in the passing game he becomes expendable, but I would like to see us draft a later round bruiser type back that can move a pile to be our RB3, that is something that I think we are lacking is a back that can pick up the 2-3 yards very consistently. Cook, JM, and Murray all require an opening, I think we need a true power back at times.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I think unless Murray really steps up in the passing game he becomes expendable, but I would like to see us draft a later round bruiser type back that can move a pile to be our RB3, that is something that I think we are lacking is a back that can pick up the 2-3 yards very consistently. Cook, JM, and Murray all require an opening, I think we need a true power back at times.
True, but I think Ham is very capable of stepping into that role. I remember him picking up a short 3rd or 4th down in the game yesterday.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I think unless Murray really steps up in the passing game he becomes expendable, but I would like to see us draft a later round bruiser type back that can move a pile to be our RB3, that is something that I think we are lacking is a back that can pick up the 2-3 yards very consistently. Cook, JM, and Murray all require an opening, I think we need a true power back at times.
True, but I think Ham is very capable of stepping into that role. I remember him picking up a short 3rd or 4th down in the game yesterday.
Ham isnt really a power back, he gets those short yardage gains by hitting a quick hole. his strength is his willingness to take on blockers in the hole, but he isnt really a power back IMO. although I saw him working out in college one day, he is a brick shithouse of a kid.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
The running game has been a massive reason for the teams success.
2016 - 2 games over 100 yards
2017 - 7 games over 100 yards (out of 10 games)
We also have a QB that jas 5 games with a 100+ rating. Rare air in that category.
I'm not trying to throw shade on Case, he's doing a good job and doesn't deserve to be replaced. But there is a lot more that goes into QB play than a weighted average statistic. Passer rating isn't a great stat in general because it is system driven and does little to factor in degree of throw difficulty. Basically, your receivers ability to generate YAC is worth the same as dropping a dime 40 yards down the field.
Break down Case's passer rating of 100.8 yesterday and it really boils down to him protecting the ball (0 INT's) and his completion percentage of 71%. His overall yardage and TD's are not impressive. The major boon by Theilen late in the game does not hurt either. Case read a 0-blitz well but a majority of the credit is due to Thielen for getting inside leverage on the DB and generating 65 yards of his own after the catch. Factor that one play out and Case's passing rater drops to 87.1, which is slightly above league average.
Just to throw out the theory that I am looking at things in a vacuum take each opponents average passer rating allowed and generate a +/- for how Case performed. Although not a perfect comparison, over the games he's played that ends up being +7. So you'd expect Case to be posing a passer rating around 7 points greater than league average. That puts him around 88-89, right in line with the adjust stat above.
So although Case has 4 games with passer ratings of 100+, it is an entire team effort. Case is using his weapons adequately, but the idea that he is carrying them is likely exaggerated.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ SFVikingFan said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
I think unless Murray really steps up in the passing game he becomes expendable, but I would like to see us draft a later round bruiser type back that can move a pile to be our RB3, that is something that I think we are lacking is a back that can pick up the 2-3 yards very consistently. Cook, JM, and Murray all require an opening, I think we need a true power back at times.
True, but I think Ham is very capable of stepping into that role. I remember him picking up a short 3rd or 4th down in the game yesterday.
Ham isnt really a power back, he gets those short yardage gains by hitting a quick hole. his strength is his willingness to take on blockers in the hole, but he isnt really a power back IMO. although I saw him working out in college one day, he is a brick shithouse of a kid.
I'd agree that Ham isn't in line to be the teams power back. He's adapted to FB nicely and likely deserves to continue focusing on that skill set. I also agree that more of a bruiser would be a nice compliment to Cook. Assuming that Jet is willing to resign a combination of Cook / Jet / Rookie is a very nice backfield.
The Rams have a very quick but also smaller front 7. The game plan was to wear then down and it worked to perfection. We started gashing them in the late 3rd and then 4th. Game plan + execution = Win!
The Lions have been giving up a lot of rushing yards lately and have a limited pass rush. I would try the exact same game plan on offense.
Quote: @minny65 said:
The Rams have a very quick but also smaller front 7. The game plan was to wear then down and it worked to perfection. We started gashing them in the late 3rd and then 4th. Game plan + execution = Win!
The Lions have been giving up a lot of rushing yards lately and have a limited pass rush. I would try the exact same game plan on offense.
Yeah, I think Shurmur and the offense have a plan each week to exploit the other D. Last week it was power football with Murray. And it worked like a champ. But the workhorse may change week to week.
With our run D, running the rock like this puts us above the other contenders. We have proven we can do both, philly snd new orleans have been getting gashed lately.
this could be the difference
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