Quote: @Hidalgo said:
I'd be willing to bet that as we fans debate this on message boards around the world, at this time Case is studying the game plan for the Rams game and Teddy is simultaneously studying the gameplan for the Detroit game.
We go into both games with a well rested quarterback and a competent backup QB
I think this is close to the truth...Depends on Rams game outcome. God forbid injury or Case lites it up @ USB.
Yeah God forbid Case lights it up against the Rams, that would be so terrible...
Quote: @FSUVike said:
)@ Mike Olson said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ SFVikingFan said:
ESPN QBR:
Teddy Bridgewater 2015: 57.7 (17th)
Case Keenum 2017: 72.6 (3rd)
More Apples and Oranges.
How on God's Green and Verdant Earth can so many of you continue to compare Teddy with no O-Line, WRs and Norv's antiquated system that was so 1st Down run oriented to the situation Case is in with a really good O-Line, the best duo of WRs in the League and an OC who will call any play at any time?
The fact is you can't compare. Not until we see Teddy Start a few games.
And if many of you get your wish and the team rides Case to the Playoffs then what? Make Keenum the Franchise QB? Resign Teddy with no body of work to judge his recovery on?
Wouldn't it be oh so Minnesota for Case to get the team to rhe NFCCG, get torched by the Eagles, get a long-term deal and turn out to be Wade Wilson.
Because that is all you CAN compare. Trying to do anything more than that is pure speculation. How much do you weight the lack of or the existence of a good/bad oline? How much of that oline play do you attribute to the QB play itself?
You can Project, Mike. Not compare two completely different situations. I can Project that Case, who inarguably makes a number of pre-snap decisions where he's going to throw the ball and has a tendency to throw floaters would likely have fared worse in Norv's system than Teddy. In large part because Wallace and Johnson wouldn't make contested catches and Case wouldn't have had nearly as much time to throw despite his movement skills.
And you can Project that a healthy Teddy (both body & mind) would likely fare better with this team and system for the same reasons. More time to throw equals more time to read through progressions and find the best option instead of throwing into coverage, which Keenum does too much and won't get away with forever.
But to play Devil's Advocate, maybe Teddy comes in and doesn't trust AT and Diggs enough to throw it to them when they're covered and let them make a play.
You'll never know if the team rides Case the rest of the way. And unless Keenum loses in the Playoffs due to the Defense or Special Teams or TOs that he had nothing to do with then how does the FO decide which guy to keep and at what price?
Look, if we had a Crystal Ball that said both Keenum and Bridgewater would be back with the Vikings next season on reasonable deals and perfectly fine with a earnest Training Camp contest to determine who Starts and who is the backup then you ride Case as long as he's hot.
But I give that scenario about a 4% chance of happening. More likely is Teddy doesn't get enough snaps to show what he's got and both QBs go into the offseason looking for Starter money.
How about we let whatever happens, happen this year, and worry about everything else later? As we've seen a million times as Vikings fans, shit can change in an instant, so why try to screw with this year when we are on a roll, just so that we can try to plan for the long-term, when we've seen our long-term plans go to complete shit a million times before?
Case has done more than enough to earn the starter's role for the foreseeable future IMO.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ SFVikingFan said:
ESPN QBR:
Teddy Bridgewater 2015: 57.7 (17th)
Case Keenum 2017: 72.6 (3rd)
More Apples and Oranges.
How on God's Green and Verdant Earth can so many of you continue to compare Teddy with no O-Line, WRs and Norv's antiquated system that was so 1st Down run oriented to the situation Case is in with a really good O-Line, the best duo of WRs in the League and an OC who will call any play at any time?
The fact is you can't compare. Not until we see Teddy Start a few games.
And if many of you get your wish and the team rides Case to the Playoffs then what? Make Keenum the Franchise QB? Resign Teddy with no body of work to judge his recovery on?
Wouldn't it be oh so Minnesota for Case to get the team to rhe NFCCG, get torched by the Eagles, get a long-term deal and turn out to be Wade Wilson.
Thank you, Seminole. Every time I see 2015 brought up to compare QBs I want to throw my laptop at the wall.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
Yeah God forbid Case lights it up against the Rams, that would be so terrible...
I think the "God forbid" part was more to the injury part and not about him playing good. Nobody wants to see Case get injured and I'm pretty sure we are all fine with him playing good as long as he actually starts to fix the flaws in his game that will get picked apart by good defenses. In the end we just want Vikings wins and to belive it will continue through January.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
Look, if we had a Crystal Ball that said both Keenum and Bridgewater would be back with the Vikings next season on reasonable deals and perfectly fine with a earnest Training Camp contest to determine who Starts and who is the backup then you ride Case as long as he's hot.
But I give that scenario about a 4% chance of happening. More likely is Teddy doesn't get enough snaps to show what he's got and both QBs go into the offseason looking for Starter money.
Disagree here. Vikings would never let that happen. They have to find out how the injury has impacted Teddy, if at all. The Vikings really WANT to put their leader into this offense. Everybody knows it. Even Case Keenum. Heck, Bridgewater was warming up on Sunday ready to replace a QB who just threw 4 TDs. But after another win, how do you replace a QB who's won 5 straight? You can't.
But it's just a matter of time before the stare downs, tight windows and floaters catch up to him and we'll see Teddy Bridgewater for better or worse.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
Yeah God forbid Case lights it up against the Rams, that would be so terrible...
you know what i meant...missed my "," and Teddy starting at Detroit is off the table if Case lites it up vs Rams.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ FSUVike said:
Look, if we had a Crystal Ball that said both Keenum and Bridgewater would be back with the Vikings next season on reasonable deals and perfectly fine with a earnest Training Camp contest to determine who Starts and who is the backup then you ride Case as long as he's hot.
But I give that scenario about a 4% chance of happening. More likely is Teddy doesn't get enough snaps to show what he's got and both QBs go into the offseason looking for Starter money.
Disagree here. Vikings would never let that happen. They have to find out how the injury has impacted Teddy, if at all. The Vikings really WANT to put their leader into this offense. Everybody knows it. Even Case Keenum. Heck, Bridgewater was warming up on Sunday ready to replace a QB who just threw 4 TDs. But after another win, how do you replace a QB who's won 5 straight? You can't.
But it's just a matter of time before the stare downs, tight windows and floaters catch up to him and we'll see Teddy Bridgewater for better or worse.
The law of averages are going to catch-up to this team...They just ripped off 5 wins in a row and are facing
Rams
@ Detroit
@ Falcons
@ Carolina
They'll be lucky to win 2 of these imo and that is the window Zimm needs to put Theodore in.
@JimmyinSD said:Quote:
@ SFVikingFan said:
Yeah God forbid Case lights it up against the Rams, that would be so terrible...
I think the "God forbid" part was more to the injury part and not about him playing good. Nobody wants to see Case get injured and I'm pretty sure we are all fine with him playing good as long as he actually starts to fix the flaws in his game that will get picked apart by good defenses. In the end we just want Vikings wins and to belive it will continue through January.
Bingo Jimmy...
Yeah I was being sarcastic. Anyways, I think there are good points on both sides of this issue, but I cant see benching a QB who is playing well and winning, and I dont want him to stop playing well or the team to start losing so that we can play Teddy. So although I definitely understand the need to see what we have in Teddy, these years where we have this type of success come around too rarely for me to want to mess with what is working.
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