Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Jor-El said:
Are we supposed to be surprised that people can get past Matt Kalil with ease??
I'm going to be extremely surprised if the followup story - in much smaller headlines - notes that Kalil owns Pieology through a corporation and so cannot be personally charged. If he doesn't own it through some form of incorporation...well, insert your favorite joke about the academic requirements for USC football players. Owners probably should be held accountable for what their business does, but usually have legal protection.
Mixed feelings about the alcohol stings. My son asked for a buyer's ID as the buyer brought beer to the counter - but my son started ringing the sale while the buyer was still getting his wallet, and the sting officer said he failed because he touched the cash register before he had seen the ID.
that is bull shit... I would have to have gotten a lawyer to argue that one. a sale by definition is an exchange of goods/service for money, no transaction had taken place if no legal tender had changed hands. the fact that the request was made for the ID should have gotten him off if the transaction was never completed.
You're probably right and I appreciate the sentiment. The store didn't support him - probably intimidated by police that can recommend pulling their license. Lawyer, sure - but it was a $10/hour part time job and easier to find a better job than to take them to court. I guess that's a big reason these things persist, though.
as long as that doesnt end up on his record and screwing him for a future job. My brother was DQd for a job with a bank over some stupid underage/alcohol shit from his college years.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Jor-El said:
Are we supposed to be surprised that people can get past Matt Kalil with ease??
I'm going to be extremely surprised if the followup story - in much smaller headlines - notes that Kalil owns Pieology through a corporation and so cannot be personally charged. If he doesn't own it through some form of incorporation...well, insert your favorite joke about the academic requirements for USC football players. Owners probably should be held accountable for what their business does, but usually have legal protection.
Mixed feelings about the alcohol stings. My son asked for a buyer's ID as the buyer brought beer to the counter - but my son started ringing the sale while the buyer was still getting his wallet, and the sting officer said he failed because he touched the cash register before he had seen the ID.
that is bull shit... I would have to have gotten a lawyer to argue that one. a sale by definition is an exchange of goods/service for money, no transaction had taken place if no legal tender had changed hands. the fact that the request was made for the ID should have gotten him off if the transaction was never completed.
Interesting thought. I don't know if it's true. But I know some people I can ask. I am not sure that money has to exchange. It may be that an agreed upon transaction has to take place with intent to sell. I think it works this way with drugs. Like once there is an agreement to transact and the seller says something like "Ok meet me around the corner" and then when the guy shows up the cops are waiting.
I still think this is a bit of headlining going on here. Pretty lame to drag Matt Kalil's name through the mud on this.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
I still think this is a bit of headlining going on here. Pretty lame to drag Matt Kalil's name through the mud on this.
I think the owner will always be the one charged in these instances... but yes the headline is a bit of name baiting.
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Jor-El said:
Are we supposed to be surprised that people can get past Matt Kalil with ease??
I'm going to be extremely surprised if the followup story - in much smaller headlines - notes that Kalil owns Pieology through a corporation and so cannot be personally charged. If he doesn't own it through some form of incorporation...well, insert your favorite joke about the academic requirements for USC football players. Owners probably should be held accountable for what their business does, but usually have legal protection.
Mixed feelings about the alcohol stings. My son asked for a buyer's ID as the buyer brought beer to the counter - but my son started ringing the sale while the buyer was still getting his wallet, and the sting officer said he failed because he touched the cash register before he had seen the ID.
that is bull shit... I would have to have gotten a lawyer to argue that one. a sale by definition is an exchange of goods/service for money, no transaction had taken place if no legal tender had changed hands. the fact that the request was made for the ID should have gotten him off if the transaction was never completed.
Interesting thought. I don't know if it's true. But I know some people I can ask. I am not sure that money has to exchange. It may be that an agreed upon transaction has to take place with intent to sell. I think it works this way with drugs. Like once there is an agreement to transact and the seller says something like "Ok meet me around the corner" and then when the guy shows up the cops are waiting.
but in this case the kid hadnt agreed to make a sale, he had done the right thing and asked for the ID, when the minor was looking for it the clerk can make and assumption of age being ok and ring up the transaction, but until the ID was presented and the money transfer taking place IMO there was no sale. If i was a juror and they came with intent and I knew about the request for ID and that the cop didnt allow the sale to go through there is no way I would come back with a guilty verdict.
Drugs might be different as they are illegal to everybody regardless of age. however I would think the drugs would have to be present, simply saying you are going to sell drugs to somebody is not illegal as far as I know... but not really sure on that one.
Yeah I have no idea how this could equal intent to sell but who knows. I would think the person at the point of sale would be given time to figure out what was going on. There may be something surrounding not beginning the sale without an ID. But I don't know. Seems pretty flimsy to me.
Don't care for Kalil but this is just stupid.
Oh and part of the reason I think there MIGHT be a legal issue is that I was at a twins game with my dad. He looks old... like really old. Like REALLY REALLY REALLY old. And they wouldn't even ring up the sale until he provided an ID. They had recently been busted by having minors dress up as older (not crazy but just trying to appear older) in a sting op. This was when they were still in the metrodome.
Employees who serve alcohol or tobacco without checking ID also recieve a (smaller) fine. With tobacco, its around $600.
If any of those Metrodome employees were busted for selling at some point, it would make sense that they ask everybody/anybody for ID right away and don't fuck around.
... I know the tobacco side first hand; my wife was a waitress (only 1 on the floor per shift) at a resturant/bar that sold cigarettes. On a slow bar day, just after lunch time, the bartender stepped out. My wife was running back and forth when she noticed a guy impatently standing at the bar. She asks him, in passing with plates in hand, if he needed anything. "Just a pack of smokes." Relieved she didnt have to mix a drink, she said "sure, you betcha!" She rushed to put her plates in the back, came up and quickly ran the sale. He left, and a police officer came in.
Her fine was around $600, the business got one around $2,000.
I know of a Mn rest/bar that had an employee get caught in a sting op
He was fined, and because he was stupid, fired. The rest of the staff, who did nothing wrong, were really punished as the establishment lost their liquor license for two weeks so they took a big hit
I understand the importance, but that's flawed
& poor Matt literally has his hands full on the field !
Thanks for input from everyone, you got me worrying if my son received a fine personally, so I asked for an update on the story..he said it was a sting performed by the FDA, not the police. That explains the lack of a fine - he said they didn't even take his name - but FDA doing that surprised me. Am I getting a funny story from him?
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