Case being made...

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@Norse said:
We are 7-2 and bench the starting QB....just to see what we have in Teddy.
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wrong.  You don't bench Case to see what you have.  You promote Teddy if he is the better QB.

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@Norse said:
We are 7-2 and bench the starting QB....just to see what we have in Teddy.
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wrong.  You don't bench Case to see what you have.  You promote Teddy if he is the better QB.

Hahaha...messed up.

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@Norse said:
We are 7-2 and bench the starting QB....just to see what we have in Teddy.
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Out of curiosity. .. how many loses do you give Case before you use Teddy?

Not that I think that it should be a win loss record decision

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It would all depend...We know the Rams is going to be a close game win/loose.
I feel as long as Case is winning he deserves to start. Get Teddy some playing time so he can prove what he has. Looking good in practice in a controlled environment isn't really proving much. It's the games that count.

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@Norse said:
It would all depend...We know the Rams is going to be a close game win/loose.
I feel as long as Case is winning he deserves to start. Get Teddy some playing time so he can prove what he has. Looking good in practice in a controlled environment isn't really proving much. It's the games that count.

i would agree as long as its Case that is playing winning football.   how many times during the Ponder era (and others) that the team is winning in spite of.... well some of those wins are more about the rest of the team IMO.  I really only give Tampa, the Bears, and now the skins to Case... the rest of the games he did nothing to really win the games,  he wasnt hurting the team as in turnovers,  but not really being the reason for the wins,  so "in spite of" is not the appropriate tag for Case,  but it doesnt change the feeling that this offense will need to be more like first half sunday to be competitive the rest of the way.   

now maybe Teddy wont be any better,  but if the coaches say he is the better option based on the information they have,  how can we not trust them?  yes practice leaves questions to be answered,  but thats what the games are for.  Its not like we are cutting Case to give Teddy a chance.   I also dont buy the BS about the change messing up any chemistry,  if the team is that weak mentally that a QB switch would set them off,  then we arent as close to being a contender as we hope.

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This is a bad situation for Teddy, too.  What if Zim does put him in and we go on a losing streak?  Anyone thought of that?  Case should be the QB for the rest of the year barring a catastrophic meltdown, IMO.

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@NorseGods said:
This is a bad situation for Teddy, too.  What if Zim does put him in and we go on a losing streak?  Anyone thought of that?  Case should be the QB for the rest of the year barring a catastrophic meltdown, IMO.

that may be bad for Teddy and this years team,  but it will be good for the teams future to know that Teddy is not a viable franchise guy for next year and beyond.   

as far as a losing streak,  it could very easily happen to Case as well.  eyes wide open,  the unknowns are scary,  but not insurmountable and by staying with the status quo we have no more guarantees for the future than we would by making a change.  its not like a change to Teddy would have to be permanent.  I am looking past the end result and trying to look at the game at a more positional level.

if this was any other position besides QB... would this even be a discussion regarding leaving an average player in vs taking a chance with on one with possibly better overall skills?

either way the coaches decide they want to go I am good,  but I hope to see better QB play as the opponents get tougher.

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The fanbase is hungry and eager for the team to mess up a good thing.   Forcing TB onto the field will be the end of this good season.

how is it "forcing" if he is out performing Case in practice?  isnt that just putting the best player on the field?  If Teddy isnt looking markedly better than Case in practice why would they be considering starting him?  I am sure they are not going to put an inferior player out there just because it feels good.

Practice?  Where you don't get hit or face an actual opponent?   

It's the Vikings, I get that the franchise karma has always been to screw it up in some new, creative way.   And this will be no different.   There's no precedent that I can think of where an NFL team with a good record putting up good numbers offensively just decided one day to yank the qb in favor of a guy who hadn't seen the field in two years, whose leg/knee remained a question mark and who was statistically no better or arguably inferior to the guy who was playing the position and leading them to that good record.   There is no place outside of Viking fandom where TB holds some mythical legendary status, and the average NFL observer would tell the deluded Viking TB fans they are nuts on this matter.    I realize this doesn't make any difference to said fans.

We have an enormous contingent of fans offering a plethora of subjective rationales about TB which apparently mean we should stick to Viking karma and screw this up.    You may get your wish, fellows!

yep practice... remember Case isnt getting hit or facing a real opponent in practice either... if they see a much better player in Teddy in that environment,  knowing how much poise Teddy has shown in the past... they have a pretty good idea of what they will be getting when the lights come on... likely much better than any fans wouldnt you think?

I couldnt make this decision myself,  thats why I flip on this subject about every 5 minutes,  but I trust that if/when its made it will be the best thing for the team or Zim wouldnt be doing it.

You bring up my one fear with Bridgewater at this point, contact. In practice they'll run D-lineman at you to work on eluding pass rush and maneuvering the pocket. But you always know in the back of your head that nobody is actually going to hit you and nobody is going to be laying on the ground near your feet. 

There is still a chance that Teddy completely implodes when having to navigate a pocket with people near his feet. That always will be the biggest mental hurdle for a QB coming off a knee injury. Taking a hit you see isn't so much the issue, but the body's natural reaction to being grabbed around the ankle or getting the knee brushed in the pocket causes some players to do funny things.  

That is definitely a concern, and one that will be gnawing at the back of my head every time Teddy drops back. But one caveat is that Teddy was not hurt by contact and so that demon may not be as clear and present as it would be for others. I'm hoping the coaching staff is preparing Bridgewater by giving him some controlled contact, knocking him down, etc. 

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Teddy Bridgewater in 2015 was the 22nd rated passer with an 88.7 rating

Case Keenum is sitting at the 22nd rating with a 92.6 rating. 

The idea that there is any gap between ability between these two QB's lies in personal bias. 

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@Mike Olson said:
Teddy Bridgewater in 2015 was the 22nd rated passer with an 88.7 rating

Case Keenum is sitting at the 22nd rating with a 92.6 rating. 

The idea that there is any gap between ability between these two QB's lies in personal bias. 

Why?  Because a different offense with much worse o-line and WRs makes the perfect comparison?

The gap in ability is simply in the mind.  Teddy's ability to read defenses and go through progressions in year 2 was ahead of the veteran backup Keenum.