Quote: @Norse said:
@ greediron said:
looks like 4 passes after the 2 INTs, for a total of 17 yards. So the entire 4th quarter, with us needing a score after they had pulled within 8. Granted we wanted to pound the ball, run the clock, but we needed a score. We settled for a 53 yard FG from Forbath. Anyone think that was a gimme? I was nervous as could be.
So...the #Vikings threw it twice on 3rd down, up 8, game on the line 4th quarter, on the road yesterday. Keenum completed both, Vikes got a FG to put game out of reach. I love Teddy, but come on, Keenum made 2 big time throws after those picks to seal it. twitter.com/greggrosenthal… | |
2 big time throws? 4 passes for 17 yards. The longest one was a swing pass to Rudolph who ran for most of the yards. We needed a score and end up kicking a 53 yard FG. With Forbath who isn't the strongest leg in the NFL.
Offense went into a shell.
Quote: @BlackMagic7 said:
Im all for Keenum to keep rolling myself. The turnovers didnt exactly bother me as Keenem continually connected through out the game.
I think the defense should be getting a lot more eyebrows than those 2 turnovers. Thsts a seperate discussion...
The first INT put them back at their own 25 yard line. Ive seen worse punts. The 2ns INT... Keenum has to put more heat on it or stay maybe stay away from those man coverage sideline passes in the future. Not sure if it really was a bad read or if he tried more of a touch pass thinking it was an easy completion.
This team is competitive as hell. I think Spielman deserves some credit for signing a backup QB who everyone had some confidence in for once. Cassel had a road block, Hill was replaced by Bradford. I know its not really easy to keep trading for QBs, but kudos to the front office for seriously being prepared for once. We were more than prepared for Bradford's injury and Teddy's recovery. We didnt need to panic, and we've continued to grind.
.... long usual ramble. Happy to have kicked the shit outta a team on the road, off the bye. With Teddy, I'm excited to see his path to getting out there. I'll probably get goosebumps when he runs out there for the first time. I was wondering if the could do some kind of 2-5 snap rotation, where Keenum plays a large majority of the snaps yet Teddy gets a few reps in. Handoffs, passes... just a way to get him out there, get everyone comfortable, but keep moving forward without a potential overhaul to gameplanning/playcalling. ...Shurmur is calling some brilliant stuff with Keenum under center right now. We have some serious momentium; the playoffs are well in reach - Keenum is on a Pro Bowl path... crazy.
The 2nd INT will be a nice preamble for future games to set up an out and up for Rudy if they get the same look. Swearinger played it well, though. He didn't sell out for it he played it very cautiously until he saw Case commit. No one's fault, just a great play...maybe a better read from Case might help, but nothing egregious by any means.
I am all for keeping Case starting even after the Rams game where e might lose. Case might have a horrible game and I'd keep him in there for the following week to see how he responds. That will tell you what he is as a QB. Is this a mental "wave" of success where a misstep, or a failure will derail him? If we lose @home against the Rams, but win the following week, Case should be starting all year barring numerous and multiple errors in two or more games. However, he is playing extremely consistent with one or two minor errors in a single game, or two games.
I told myself I wasn't going to post for the sake of the success of our team, so forgive me if I just jinxed us. Ever since I went away we have been doing everything a lot better. If we lose against the Rams, I'll go away again.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ Norse said:
@ greediron said:
looks like 4 passes after the 2 INTs, for a total of 17 yards. So the entire 4th quarter, with us needing a score after they had pulled within 8. Granted we wanted to pound the ball, run the clock, but we needed a score. We settled for a 53 yard FG from Forbath. Anyone think that was a gimme? I was nervous as could be.
So...the #Vikings threw it twice on 3rd down, up 8, game on the line 4th quarter, on the road yesterday. Keenum completed both, Vikes got a FG to put game out of reach. I love Teddy, but come on, Keenum made 2 big time throws after those picks to seal it. twitter.com/greggrosenthal… | |
2 big time throws? 4 passes for 17 yards. The longest one was a swing pass to Rudolph who ran for most of the yards. We needed a score and end up kicking a 53 yard FG. With Forbath who isn't the strongest leg in the NFL.
Offense went into a shell.
WE SCORED 38 POINTS ON THE ROAD.
my goodness. offense was not to blame at all... offense went into a shell, sorry they didnt put up fifty for you, although i doubt that would have been enough to quench your thirst for teddy.
Quote: @golfervike said:
WE SCORED 38 POINTS ON THE ROAD.
my goodness. offense was not to blame at all... offense went into a shell, sorry they didnt put up fifty for you, although i doubt that would have been enough to quench your thirst for teddy.
Well we were having a reasonable discussion. Try to join it.
Or just go for insults and ALL CAP straw men.
It wasn't about the points, it was about the play calling after the 2 INTs. They didn't trust Case to throw much after that.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ golfervike said:
WE SCORED 38 POINTS ON THE ROAD.
my goodness. offense was not to blame at all... offense went into a shell, sorry they didnt put up fifty for you, although i doubt that would have been enough to quench your thirst for teddy.
Well we were having a reasonable discussion. Try to join it.
Or just go for insults and ALL CAP straw men.
It wasn't about the points, it was about the play calling after the 2 INTs. They didn't trust Case to throw much after that.
ha, straw man? im just trying to emphasize my point. and where was the insult?
right, 38 points on the road in a tough place historically for us, those doesn't mean squat, lets focus on the 2nd half of the 4th quarter as they try to salt away a win.
I'm all for a reasonable discussion, but i just can't find any reasonable reason in wanting to play Teddy right now, other than playing for next year, when we're in the here and now with a 7-2 and a QB who is playing really really well (for the most part). especially when Teddy was an average to below average QB when he was healthy, and not rusty, it feels like we'd be throwing away the season.
Quote: @golfervike said:
@ greediron said:
@ golfervike said:
WE SCORED 38 POINTS ON THE ROAD.
my goodness. offense was not to blame at all... offense went into a shell, sorry they didnt put up fifty for you, although i doubt that would have been enough to quench your thirst for teddy.
Well we were having a reasonable discussion. Try to join it.
Or just go for insults and ALL CAP straw men.
It wasn't about the points, it was about the play calling after the 2 INTs. They didn't trust Case to throw much after that.
ha, straw man? im just trying to emphasize my point. and where was the insult?
right, 38 points on the road in a tough place historically for us, those doesn't mean squat, lets focus on the 2nd half of the 4th quarter as they try to salt away a win.
I'm all for a reasonable discussion, but i just can't find any reasonable reason in wanting to play Teddy right now, other than playing for next year, when we're in the here and now with a 7-2 and a QB who is playing really really well (for the most part). especially when Teddy was an average to below average QB when he was healthy, and not rusty, it feels like we'd be throwing away the season.
quench my thirst for Teddy?
The problem started at the end of the 3rd quarter with his INT. Then at the start of the 4th another. Lets just ignore the dropped INT by Norman earlier. And after that 2nd INT, the play calling seriously changed. As I said, 4 passes for 17 yards in the fourth quarter. And it wasn't just killing the clock with a multiple score lead. We were only up by 8 and needed a score. Yet instead of going for a 1st down, we settled for a 53 yard FG. By Forbath.
Yes our offense lit it up for 2 and 1/2 quarters. Case put up record numbers. Then he shit the bed, almost gave away the game.
The reason for wanting to play Teddy is in the hope we can make a serious run in the playoffs. I think Case has reached his expiration date. We need better play at QB to beat playoff teams.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ golfervike said:
@ greediron said:
@ golfervike said:
WE SCORED 38 POINTS ON THE ROAD.
my goodness. offense was not to blame at all... offense went into a shell, sorry they didnt put up fifty for you, although i doubt that would have been enough to quench your thirst for teddy.
Well we were having a reasonable discussion. Try to join it.
Or just go for insults and ALL CAP straw men.
It wasn't about the points, it was about the play calling after the 2 INTs. They didn't trust Case to throw much after that.
ha, straw man? im just trying to emphasize my point. and where was the insult?
right, 38 points on the road in a tough place historically for us, those doesn't mean squat, lets focus on the 2nd half of the 4th quarter as they try to salt away a win.
I'm all for a reasonable discussion, but i just can't find any reasonable reason in wanting to play Teddy right now, other than playing for next year, when we're in the here and now with a 7-2 and a QB who is playing really really well (for the most part). especially when Teddy was an average to below average QB when he was healthy, and not rusty, it feels like we'd be throwing away the season.
quench my thirst for Teddy?
The problem started at the end of the 3rd quarter with his INT. Then at the start of the 4th another. Lets just ignore the dropped INT by Norman earlier. And after that 2nd INT, the play calling seriously changed. As I said, 4 passes for 17 yards in the fourth quarter. And it wasn't just killing the clock with a multiple score lead. We were only up by 8 and needed a score. Yet instead of going for a 1st down, we settled for a 53 yard FG. By Forbath.
Yes our offense lit it up for 2 and 1/2 quarters. Case put up record numbers. Then he shit the bed, almost gave away the game.
The reason for wanting to play Teddy is in the hope we can make a serious run in the playoffs. I think Case has reached his expiration date. We need better play at QB to beat playoff teams.
well you're entitled to your opinion, but we have ZERO clue what Teddy will be, and i look at the totality of the game, if you think Teddy's the guy to play 4 perfect quarters and have zero blemishes, (based on your thought that he was a problem in this game despite scoring 38 points). then so be it, but he's a way bigger unknown then you're admitting, practice doesnt tell you the whole story... Sam looked AMAZING in practice the week before the bears game according to all accounts...
Quote: @golfervike said:
@ greediron said:
quench my thirst for Teddy?
The problem started at the end of the 3rd quarter with his INT. Then at the start of the 4th another. Lets just ignore the dropped INT by Norman earlier. And after that 2nd INT, the play calling seriously changed. As I said, 4 passes for 17 yards in the fourth quarter. And it wasn't just killing the clock with a multiple score lead. We were only up by 8 and needed a score. Yet instead of going for a 1st down, we settled for a 53 yard FG. By Forbath.
Yes our offense lit it up for 2 and 1/2 quarters. Case put up record numbers. Then he shit the bed, almost gave away the game.
The reason for wanting to play Teddy is in the hope we can make a serious run in the playoffs. I think Case has reached his expiration date. We need better play at QB to beat playoff teams.
well you're entitled to your opinion, but we have ZERO clue what Teddy will be, and i look at the totality of the game, if you think Teddy's the guy to play 4 perfect quarters and have zero blemishes, (based on your thought that he was a problem in this game despite scoring 38 points). then so be it, but he's a way bigger unknown then you're admitting, practice doesnt tell you the whole story... Sam looked AMAZING in practice the week before the bears game according to all accounts...
No, Teddy will have some rust for sure. And will make mistakes, even the best make mistakes and Teddy isn't at that level. But what he won't do is make horrible mistakes to let a team back in the game. He won't heave it into triple coverage because that was where he wanted to go with the ball.
This whole thread was started to put my opinion on record. Because I think we need more from our QB to make noise in the playoffs. And I think the time is now, not december. If we wait too long it could bite us as well. Teddy could falter and we end the season on a down swing. Teddy could win but not have enough time to get comfortable and ready for the playoffs.
It is a tough decision. I wouldn't be surprised if Zim proves my opinion just a bunch of hot air.
But what is funny is that very few saying that Case should keep starting will recognize the horseshoe up his ass (as Jimmy puts it). He has been very lucky in many games. Even some of his big completions are scary as hell.
Quote: @silverjoel said:
@ Mike Olson said:
Consider this. You pull Keenum for Teddy this week. Ok that's pretty insulting to the guy that got you to 6-2 (one win was Bradford's but really the Pittsburgh loss is tough to pin on the backup with little prep time) SO there's that.
Now if Teddy starts and he is NOT ready, then you are going back to the guy that you yanked on a short week? I don't think so. I think they will gameplan the offense for both defenses with some augmentation built in if needed. They won't be able to install a full game plan for Detroit anyway. Not sure how similar the two defenses are but I don't expect that they are going to be willing to test the waters with Teddy until after the the Detroit game.
If they go with Teddy and he isn't ready..... They may have tanked their own season in doing so.
Edit: Fixed my brain fart on thinking we lost to Chicago)
Why be negative about it? I could easily say, by all reports, Bridgewater is out performing Keenum at practice. What kind of message does that send the rest of the team, play hard practice hard and you still sit on the bench.
This is nothing but positive. The Vikings are 7-2 and primed to make the playoffs. The possible franchise QB is ready to take over and somehow this is a negative. It's not. Let the past go, trust the coach that has brought a consistently good team back to Minnesota.
Negative about what? There is no positive to put in a guy that hasn't played in a season and a half at this point in the season. Far better to wait until Case shows that he is falling apart and then putting Teddy in. BTW, a former player and radio contributor that was on the sideline with us agreed with my take. And how could Teddy be put performing him in practice when Teddy isn't getting the reps to do that? You say what message does it send to the team to practice hard and then you sit on the bench... But what info do you have that Case isn't practicing hard? Indeed what kind of message does it send to the team when you have been working hard, have your team in position to take the division and probably going back to the playoffs and then having to go sit on the bench?
Quote: @Mike Olson said:
@ silverjoel said:
@ Mike Olson said:
Consider this. You pull Keenum for Teddy this week. Ok that's pretty insulting to the guy that got you to 6-2 (one win was Bradford's but really the Pittsburgh loss is tough to pin on the backup with little prep time) SO there's that.
Now if Teddy starts and he is NOT ready, then you are going back to the guy that you yanked on a short week? I don't think so. I think they will gameplan the offense for both defenses with some augmentation built in if needed. They won't be able to install a full game plan for Detroit anyway. Not sure how similar the two defenses are but I don't expect that they are going to be willing to test the waters with Teddy until after the the Detroit game.
If they go with Teddy and he isn't ready..... They may have tanked their own season in doing so.
Edit: Fixed my brain fart on thinking we lost to Chicago)
Why be negative about it? I could easily say, by all reports, Bridgewater is out performing Keenum at practice. What kind of message does that send the rest of the team, play hard practice hard and you still sit on the bench.
This is nothing but positive. The Vikings are 7-2 and primed to make the playoffs. The possible franchise QB is ready to take over and somehow this is a negative. It's not. Let the past go, trust the coach that has brought a consistently good team back to Minnesota.
Negative about what? There is no positive to put in a guy that hasn't played in a season and a half at this point in the season. Far better to wait until Case shows that he is falling apart and then putting Teddy in. BTW, a former player and radio contributor that was on the sideline with us agreed with my take. And how could Teddy be put performing him in practice when Teddy isn't getting the reps to do that? You say what message does it send to the team to practice hard and then you sit on the bench... But what info do you have that Case isn't practicing hard? Indeed what kind of message does it send to the team when you have been working hard, have your team in position to take the division and probably going back to the playoffs and then having to go sit on the bench? If Bridgewater is a better QB than Keenum, I think that would qualify as positive. There's no positive with your opinion as a person that thinks Bridgewater isn't a good QB.
Bridgewater has been getting some first team reps. That has come from Vikings players and coaches. If Zimmer thinks Bridgewater gives the team the best shot at winning against the best teams, he is going to put him in. I don't understand how your hypothetical carries more weight than the one I proposed. If Bridgewater is out performing Keenum, Zimmer is going to start him.
The next four games are probably the toughest stretch of the season. If Keenum falls apart in the next two, the division is probably gone and the Vikings would be hoping for a wild card.
As I already said in one of these posts, if one doesn't like Bridgewater, it's a stupid move and if one thinks Bridgewater has a higher upside, it's a move that makes sense. I do find it strange that those who loved Bradford and constantly stated things like "Bradford is miles better than Bridgewater" and "Bridgewater could never make that Bradford throw" are the same that don't want Bridgewater on the field now. Seems they just don't like Bridgewater.
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