Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Only QB's I see who "rarely make mistakes" are Rogers and Brady, maybe Wilson is in that conversation...PRetty rough crowd regarding Case and there are definitely bias lenses. But everyone has their favorite player, nothing wrong with that.
Putting Teddy in with 2 games in 10 days coming-up and arguably the 2 most important games in 2 seasons, doesnt sound right..
well... he is self professed GUMP. I think he will be fine, we never really saw the rookie jitters from him like we would typically see from a young QB so I think he will be fine when ever he gets the ball. however I dont want to see him thrust into a bail out role, if Case shits the bed early then either pull him before it gets out of hand or leave him in there the whole game to sink or swim. it would really be unfair to put Teddy into his first action with the opposition knowing that we will be pass pass pass.
I don't think Bridgewater can be returned back to the starting job until Keenum messes up....it would put undo pressure on him. You want him put back in to relieve a struggling Keenum who just lost the team a game, or is about to. Enter the hero type deal. The worst possible thing is to start TB against the Rams just because, watch him struggle and then having the fans chant, 'Kee-num, Kee-num!'. Nightmare for the team.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
Its a different offensive under Shurmur with a good offensive line: does somebody really think Teddy wouldn't flourish also? Of course he would. But Case is going to start against the Rams....and should. He played very well. But those INTs were brutal. There is a leash on Keenum, just don't know the length of it.
I wouldn't peg it as a given that Bridgewater would also flourish the same in this offense. We would be taking a step down in mobility and deep ball accuracy at the position. I don't know that Bridgewater drops in those dimes to Thielen and Diggs like Keenum has. Keenum has made a lot of plays throwing on the run this season and I don't see Teddy being able to do the same and I am basing that on before he tore his knee up.
It's not a given. Nothing is a given. But if you are in charge of something and have to make important business decisions, you're managing likelihoods and tendencies based on objective analysis. There are no givens. If Teddy replaces Case it will be because coach Zimmer thinks Teddy gives us a better chance to achieve our goal: winning a Super Bowl. There are a lot of folks who seem to think the Teddy love is based on him working hard and being a nice guy. That's nonsense. There is no way in hell any sane coach would replace Case Keenum if his objective analysis based on game film and practices didn't support that. By almost all accounts, Teddy has been lighting it up in practice. Personally, I can't wait to see what he can do in this offense. I think it has the potential to eventually be similar to what we saw week one with Sam.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I don't think Bridgewater can be returned back to the starting job until Keenum messes up....it would put undo pressure on him. You want him put back in to relieve a struggling Keenum who just lost the team a game, or is about to. Enter the hero type deal. The worst possible thing is to start TB against the Rams just because, watch him struggle and then having the fans chant, 'Kee-num, Kee-num!'. Nightmare for the team.
But than you are just waiting for Keenum to fail and putting extra pressure on Keenum.
This really isn't that hard, Zimmer is going to put in the QB he feels gives the Vikings the best chance to win. Looking through some of these responses, it seems fans are shooting to just make the playoffs. Screw that, let's finally make some noise in the playoffs.
This wasn't questioned when it was Bradford/Keenum week to week. Now, the Vikings organization is stupid for even thinking about making a switch. It's a Bridgewater thing and that's it. If one believes that Bridgewater is good, for the switch, and if one believes Bridgewater is bad, against the switch. It's really that simple.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ FSUVike said:
His upside is better, Supra. That's just a fact. And the obvious projection is what he can do with all this talent around him on Offense that he never had before.
And let's face it, nobody on here honestly believes Case is a Franchise QB. Teddy might be, and the clock is ticking on finding out.
Keenum can get you a win at home in the Playoffs. But he's not a smart bet to get you to the Super Bowl.
So to Geoff's point, when do you mess with success and insert Bridgewater? Classic 'damned if you do/damned if you don't' situation.
I think upside is arguable. Keenum is only 29 and has improved weekly since being inserted into the starting role. He has never played with a supporting cast like this in Houston and Los Angeles. How much better can he get leaving him in the starting position? Thielen and Diggs are having career years with Keenum under center and his mobility in the pocket has been a huge bonus in extending plays. Bridgewater has never shown me enough to make me think he's some huge "no-brainer" upgrade to Keenum as the starter and there is just so much damn unknown with him at this point.
His movement skills are great in no small part because he has a noticeable tendency to make a pre-snap decision where he's going to throw the ball and will hold it as long as he has to for his target to uncover.
I like the kid. And that Harry Potter-esque spell he's been using that causes DBs to drop his poorly thrown passes is a great idea, but it's not fullproof.
Seriously, though. He's up to what, 6 INTs dropped? That's simply not sustainable. Nor is his tendency to stare down his primary read.
Teddy goes through progressions. And he's been moreally carefull with the ball when not asked to take 7 step drops and constantly go deep.
He's showed just as much as Case solely through the fact that he's had far less to work with.
And I'm sorry but losing in the 2nd round of the Playoffs and spending the entire off season not knowing if this loaded team actually has a Franchise QB or not just to preserve a great regular season is simply not that palatable to me.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ comet52 said:
The fanbase is hungry and eager for the team to mess up a good thing. Forcing TB onto the field will be the end of this good season.
how is it "forcing" if he is out performing Case in practice? isnt that just putting the best player on the field? If Teddy isnt looking markedly better than Case in practice why would they be considering starting him? I am sure they are not going to put an inferior player out there just because it feels good.
I'd be more worried if they were throwing darts blindly. When Teddy gets into a game it will be because he is the better long-term solution, not because they want to see what happens.
agree. fans believing Teddy should get in for evaluation purposes dont understand. Teddy has a body of work including taking the afirementioned crappy line to a shoulda been playoff victory if not for shankstick Walsh. Case has made this a damn tough decision, and I dont know if Zimmer will get it right but as viking fans we all hope he does. the really good news is we have 2 really good Qb’s healthy
I admit I've not read the rest of the thread. However, something on my mind currently is how people have been rating and seeing Case in a manner that's perhaps not much different than Thielen. People put a cap on Adam and what he can do for various reasons that don't need to be mentioned. Where we're at right now people are also putting a cap on Case. We were told that he's simply a backup caliber QB so most are considering him as only that despite of what he's doing. Regardless of what he accomplishes now, people are saying that someone else in his place would not only do what he has but would do even better. He's performing as well or better than most QBs have for the Vikings but many are still expecting more. If Case was out first round draft pick last season we'd be ecstatic, but since he's "just a backup" he's not good enough.
Quote: @CLOBIMON said:
I admit I've not read the rest of the thread. However, something on my mind currently is how people have been rating and seeing Case in a manner that's perhaps not much different than Thielen. People put a cap on Adam and what he can do for various reasons that don't need to be mentioned. Where we're at right now people are also putting a cap on Case. We were told that he's simply a backup caliber QB so most are considering him as only that despite of what he's doing. Regardless of what he accomplishes now, people are saying that someone else in his place would not only do what he has but would do even better. He's performing as well or better than most QBs have for the Vikings but many are still expecting more. If Case was out first round draft pick last season we'd be ecstatic, but since he's "just a backup" he's not good enough.
Oh, I definitely think some fans are WAY too harsh when they evaluate Keenum. But there have been a number of logical takes on why it would be smart to get Teddy on the field sooner rather than later.
I think the extremes on both sides of this argument have tunnel vision when it comes to "their guy". I can appreciate what Keenum has done and hopefully continues to do, but I won't fault the coaching staff for wanting to give Teddy a shot to show them he is our long-term QB moving forward.
Quote: @CLOBIMON said:
I admit I've not read the rest of the thread. However, something on my mind currently is how people have been rating and seeing Case in a manner that's perhaps not much different than Thielen. People put a cap on Adam and what he can do for various reasons that don't need to be mentioned. Where we're at right now people are also putting a cap on Case. We were told that he's simply a backup caliber QB so most are considering him as only that despite of what he's doing. Regardless of what he accomplishes now, people are saying that someone else in his place would not only do what he has but would do even better. He's performing as well or better than most QBs have for the Vikings but many are still expecting more. If Case was out first round draft pick last season we'd be ecstatic, but since he's "just a backup" he's not good enough.
I don't see that. When I see someone say Case is a backup, it means that he has limitations. I love that we have him rather than the statue Shaun Hill. Case has played well and helped our team win after Bradford went down. A very good backup.
But the flaws get exposed now and then. He is inconsistent. Many here have pointed out how he stares down the WR. He often determines where he is throwing before the snap, not after progressing through his reads. See the INT he threw deep into triple coverage. That type of play is really the issues. It wasn't close to being caught by Rudolph, at no point did it look open.
I think Shurmur is getting the most out of Keenum and dialing up some great plays. But as teams get film on an offense, and IMO it takes about 8 games, they can start to get a read and play tendencies. Eventually the QB needs to be able to make plays when the chips are stacked against him. The Detroit game is another example of Case being a backup. Multiple turnovers setting up detroit with a lead. Still we had a chance and just needed a drive and score. But instead, we took a sack and turned it over on downs.
Case has gotten us to 7-2. So he has done his part. But some talking heads talk about backups having an expiration date, after which they start to stink. I am afraid Case is about there. He has played 8 games now and good defenses now have enough film to start to capitalize on his mistakes or his tendencies. Don't forget Norman dropped an INT early that could have really changed that game. The second INT was purely reading the QB and knowing where he was going.
We are 7-2 and bench the starting QB....just to see what we have in Teddy.
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