I haven't honestly seen much hatred toward Teddy-I've seen much more toward Sam-but the simple fact is that Teddy has never shown to be that dangerous of a QB. His long-ball game remains utterly unproven, and he's generally had to dink-and-dunk for survival much like all of our QBs since Burt Favor.
He hasn't proven much, maybe because of his line, his (early) receivers, whatever...but his lack of tangible stats and long-ball accuracy remain question marks until he "answers" them.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ Skodin said:
i disagree. other boards, comments sections in the star tribune etc, there is a lot of teddy doubt, there was a lot of doubt back in 2015 and going into 2016. I have seen many fans say he’s mediocre, or a game manager at best, especially in comparison to Carr
That's because Carr is a franchise QB. Carr threw for 81 TDs and only 31 INTs his first 3 years. Teddy can't touch those numbers. Bridgewater might be mediocre or he could be better than that. How does that translate to hate? Its just the current facts.
To be fair after year two for both players there was legitimate national debate on who was the better QB of the future and it was pretty evenly split.
They were in 2 completely different situations. Carr came into a team with a very good pass pro OL and 2 very good WR's in a pass first offense, he put up numbers but struggled to win for a variety of reasons.
Teddy cam into a team with a good defense, good power run game, few weapons in the passing game, and a poor pass pro OL.
Right now you have to say Carr is better but when they were both on the field I was very close and hard to quantify because of the situations they were in.
I hope when Teddy gets back in there he picks up where he left off, lord knows the team around him today is far better than the one he left in 2015.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ Kentis said:
Imagine that, opinions on a fan forumn... 
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Of course there are opinions. But the OP asked for "a realistic conversation", implying that he would employ realism:
realism
[ree-uh-liz-uh m]
noun1. interest in or concern for the actual or real, as distinguished from the abstract, speculative, etc.
So I was looking for some facts - like how Bridgewater's production progressed over his first two years, or the past precedent for players returning from similar injuries while still as young as him, or maybe comparing the skills he demonstrated in college to suitability to the Norv Turner vs Pat Shurmur offensive styles. Isn't that a huge space for interesting discussion?
Maroon, no argument that we can all acknowledge these posts are full of opinion. But will just doing that reduce the hostility? If posters throw out sheer opinion, like, "Believe in Teddy as I believe in him", another can say, "No!! All should believe in Sam as I do, I know Theilen smiled at him after a touchdown which means the team loves Sam best!", and yadda yadda yadda with ever-increasing volume. OTOH, if one poster says, "I don't trust Teddy because he threw 30 interceptions in 2015," others can say, "I think you misread some information, he only threw 9 as shown in ESPN at this link..." and evidence supports the debate in a civil way.
There is room for opinion but not if it's unsupported. In my opinion, the name-calling escalates more when posters ONLY use opinion without support, because (support) that's ultimately just "My dog's better than your dog, my dad can beat up your dad".
One of my opinions on the Bridgewater topic is that people might be overvaluing the value of the "leadership" one on-field player provides over another. We see the players but they are not the entire organization or team. Don't coaches provide that? I think that is especially the case if the "leadership intangible" people desire is actually consistency and discipline in players' performance. Players on good teams often keep showing they want to win when a "leader QB" is out; an example (evidence) is the Broncos going 4-2 with Brock Osweiler taking over for Peyton Manning.
You are going to invoke realism, LOL, like all your “real” takes on coach Zimmer! Please...
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
You saw a game manager because that's exactly what they asked him to be. Remember, this was Adrian's offense and Teddy Bridgewater was a 2nd year QB who was asked to not screw it up. And that's not a knock against Teddy. Most young QBs are given the same leash. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco. "Run offense" is just another way of saying "young QB." The 3rd year was supposed to be the year we transitioned to a more passing-oriented offense. We have no way of knowing how Teddy would've done in that offense, but I think we got a nice preview in that 3rd preseason game before he got hurt.
I think you're over-generalizing what they wanted him to be vs what he was early. Lotta plays left on the field - but yah, it's what you get with a very young QB, and the promise was year 3. Which unfortunately he and the fans never got.
That said, this is exactly why you and I both loathe the notion of starting over again with a rook QB. Even one with the attributes of a Sloter.
Yeah, it just takes too long, especially for a team that is built to win now. Even QBs that we think of as elite (Elway, Brees, Brady, Rodgers) weren't very productive their first few seasons. Rodgers didn't even play. Brady didn't throw for over 3K until his 3rd season. Brees and Elway were god-awful. I keep thinking what this team would look like with a healthy Teddy in his 4th season paired with Dalvin Cook and those receivers...and this line. Goddam, you can drive yourself crazy thinking about all the "what ifs."
Some would argue this team would be better with a healthy Bradford. Very possibly. It's a legit debate. At least it is for reasonable people. There are things that Sam does better. IMO, he's got a stronger arm and wins the deep accuracy battle. But he doesn't move in the pocket as well as Teddy. I also think Teddy has more "IT." He's more clutch. I don't care which one is healthy first, as long as one of them is by week 10. Is that too much to ask?
Teddy never had a decent offensive line in his career. put him back there behind this revamped decent offensive line and he will shine. It really all depends on the knee.
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