Quote: @minny65 said:
@ prairieghost said:
I happen to agree with Skodin. I think it depends on where you do your Internet browsing, but I'm on 3 or 4 fan pages on Facebook and there's quite a few people on those pages that are absolutely not Teddy fans. Anytime something is posted about Teddy, a lot of the articles are filled with fans saying he sucks, he's terrible, this, that and the other. In comparison to our board debate it's much more venomous. I don't really go to the Pioneer Press or Star Tribune so unless there's a linked article these are generally amateur/fan board articles that I'm seeing. And yeah, it isn't good.
As for the other points Skodin makes, I definitely agree with him regarding the team and coaching support. They love him. They see everything we don't see because they are with him during practice, during workouts, during team meetings, and off the field. We don't know Teddy like they do. We don't see what they see. I'm encouraged by their excitement about his return. I'm not expecting miracles out of Teddy but I see him (in healthy condition) as an upgrade over Case by a fair bit.
Neither Teddy or Case have Sam's arm talent, but Case moves well in the pocket, rolls out well, and has escapability. Teddy (pre-injury) possessed those same skills, to an even greater degree than Case. Will he still have that ability? We are going to find out soon, I believe.
I have identified the problem...."on facebook"
Good point Minny, these are fan pages with articles written by fans (with occasional articles linked from NFL.com's FB page and/or Vikings.com's site). But I guess they're fans nonetheless and the followers who comment are apparently fans too....and apparently a fair number of them seem to think Teddy wasn't a very good QB prior to the injury and won't be post-injury, either.
I would really love to see Teddy return and prove all of his doubters wrong. I am worried about his knee as most are, but that doesn't stop me from wanting him to be the QB for this team.
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
Quote: @Kentis said:
Imagine that, opinions on a fan forumn... 
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Of course there are opinions. But the OP asked for "a realistic conversation", implying that he would employ realism:
realism
[ree-uh-liz-uh m]
noun1. interest in or concern for the actual or real, as distinguished from the abstract, speculative, etc.
So I was looking for some facts - like how Bridgewater's production progressed over his first two years, or the past precedent for players returning from similar injuries while still as young as him, or maybe comparing the skills he demonstrated in college to suitability to the Norv Turner vs Pat Shurmur offensive styles. Isn't that a huge space for interesting discussion?
Maroon, no argument that we can all acknowledge these posts are full of opinion. But will just doing that reduce the hostility? If posters throw out sheer opinion, like, "Believe in Teddy as I believe in him", another can say, "No!! All should believe in Sam as I do, I know Theilen smiled at him after a touchdown which means the team loves Sam best!", and yadda yadda yadda with ever-increasing volume. OTOH, if one poster says, "I don't trust Teddy because he threw 30 interceptions in 2015," others can say, "I think you misread some information, he only threw 9 as shown in ESPN at this link..." and evidence supports the debate in a civil way.
There is room for opinion but not if it's unsupported. In my opinion, the name-calling escalates more when posters ONLY use opinion without support, because (support) that's ultimately just "My dog's better than your dog, my dad can beat up your dad".
One of my opinions on the Bridgewater topic is that people might be overvaluing the value of the "leadership" one on-field player provides over another. We see the players but they are not the entire organization or team. Don't coaches provide that? I think that is especially the case if the "leadership intangible" people desire is actually consistency and discipline in players' performance. Players on good teams often keep showing they want to win when a "leader QB" is out; an example (evidence) is the Broncos going 4-2 with Brock Osweiler taking over for Peyton Manning.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
What worries me most is that there aren't many good to great QBs in today's NFL with Teddy's limited arm strength. I also hope he's been working on that elbow drop in his delivery.
But as a person, there is no one I cheer for harder.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
What worries me most is that there aren't many good to great QBs in today's NFL with Teddy's limited arm strength.
One of the reasons why I wanted Bradford to work out here...He's got the arm, downfield accuracy I did not see in Bridgewater's first couple of years.
Plus Sam is a good guy too - snake bit as hell in every sense but the wallet.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
You saw a game manager because that's exactly what they asked him to be. Remember, this was Adrian's offense and Teddy Bridgewater was a 2nd year QB who was asked to not screw it up. And that's not a knock against Teddy. Most young QBs are given the same leash. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco. "Run offense" is just another way of saying "young QB." The 3rd year was supposed to be the year we transitioned to a more passing-oriented offense. We have no way of knowing how Teddy would've done in that offense, but I think we got a nice preview in that 3rd preseason game before he got hurt.
Quote: @Skodin said:
First, the hate, anger, lack of respect Viking fans have for this kid is amazing. .
I just reviewed the thread about Bridgewater's first day of practice. There are presently 9 comments which are undeniably positive (ranging up to "gleeful") about Bridgewater. Some addressed topics (e.g. what the brace provides) without being positive or negative, and 2 were a bit cautious: of those 2, one was concerned for his personal health but ended with "would like to see him back soon", and one did have the audacity to doubt comparing Bridgewater to Joe Montana.
Where do you see hate, anger, or lack of respect? OK, maybe it's on other sites: well, post that complaint THERE. Longship has some posters who want to see evidence of Bridgewater's recovery and his football skills, but that is a ridiculously thin-skinned definition of "hate". There is no evidence of a "war on Teddy" at this site.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
You saw a game manager because that's exactly what they asked him to be. Remember, this was Adrian's offense and Teddy Bridgewater was a 2nd year QB who was asked to not screw it up. And that's not a knock against Teddy. Most young QBs are given the same leash. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco. "Run offense" is just another way of saying "young QB." The 3rd year was supposed to be the year we transitioned to a more passing-oriented offense. We have no way of knowing how Teddy would've done in that offense, but I think we got a nice preview in that 3rd preseason game before he got hurt.
Well, even last year we were still hand-cuffed from becoming a passing-oriented offense with AD on the roster. It's too bad that if Teddy came back this year, he wouldn't have Dalvin Cook on the roster as I think those two could be very effective together. But at the same time, I think Cook's skills help make any QB's job a little easier.
Quote: @SFVikingFan said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
You saw a game manager because that's exactly what they asked him to be. Remember, this was Adrian's offense and Teddy Bridgewater was a 2nd year QB who was asked to not screw it up. And that's not a knock against Teddy. Most young QBs are given the same leash. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco. "Run offense" is just another way of saying "young QB." The 3rd year was supposed to be the year we transitioned to a more passing-oriented offense. We have no way of knowing how Teddy would've done in that offense, but I think we got a nice preview in that 3rd preseason game before he got hurt.
Well, even last year we were still hand-cuffed from becoming a passing-oriented offense with AD on the roster. It's too bad that if Teddy came back this year, he wouldn't have Dalvin Cook on the roster as I think those two could be very effective together. But at the same time, I think Cook's skills help make any QB's job a little easier.
If the Vikings ever get any kind of luck, Dalvin, Teddy and Diggs should have a long career together. If fact, a lot of great offenses are defined by their QB, RB, WR and LT. Add Reiff into that and this offense might rival its defense in a couple of years, as players on that side of the ball get harder and harder to keep.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Teddy is a good egg, good people. All of us are rooting for the kid to make it all the way back. I am just dubious of how good a qb he can really become in the NFL, based on what I saw from him pre-injury.
I saw a game manager, others saw Joe Montana. Shrug.
Will be fun to watch this play out.
You saw a game manager because that's exactly what they asked him to be. Remember, this was Adrian's offense and Teddy Bridgewater was a 2nd year QB who was asked to not screw it up. And that's not a knock against Teddy. Most young QBs are given the same leash. Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco. "Run offense" is just another way of saying "young QB." The 3rd year was supposed to be the year we transitioned to a more passing-oriented offense. We have no way of knowing how Teddy would've done in that offense, but I think we got a nice preview in that 3rd preseason game before he got hurt.
I think you're over-generalizing what they wanted him to be vs what he was early. Lotta plays left on the field - but yah, it's what you get with a very young QB, and the promise was year 3. Which unfortunately he and the fans never got.
That said, this is exactly why you and I both loathe the notion of starting over again with a rook QB. Even one with the attributes of a Sloter.
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