its because all mn fans are racest. Or at least that wasthe answer in the culpepper years.
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First, the hate, anger, lack of respect Viking fans have for this kid is amazing.
Just don't see much of that. Kinda throws your whole post into a different vibe.
Yep, my thoughts exactly. Another poster could have just done this and replaced "hate, anger, lack of respect" with "love, adoration, blind faith" and been just as inaccurate but just as representative of the common opinions expressed.
I opened this thread hoping someone wanted to lay out pros and cons, or the different perspectives, for objective comparison, but instead we get the above and more like this: - "There is no doubt his coach, his teammates and people that know him, love him. If anyone can bounce back from this injury, it’s 5. "
- "Believe in 5, his teammates do, his coaches do. Believe in Teddy because if anyone is going to defy the odds, it’s going to be him."
These are opinions at best, maybe just faith-based prayers. No evidence whatsoever, and people who cite these types of things usually demonstrate they do not understand the meaning of evidence by saying things like, "you can just tell" or "you can just see it about him". How do you know his teammates love him by watching them on TV, and even if some do, how many of them - half, all, his five best friends, the 4 that get interviewed the most, or the ones whose comments are chosen to be included by reporters?? How do you determine that Teddy is better at healing or "defying odds" than other people? Because he was a star high school and college football player he has been imbued with those traits as well?
"Realistic conversation"? Love it - but realism starts with acknowledging the limits to what fans (or anyone) can "know", comparing objectively, and recognizing when statements are wishful thinking. Too much of the Teddy support seems more like religion than science.
This is a pretty good post, Jor-El, abeit a little dismissive of things you can actually see in players by watching their behavior and how others respond to them. I don't need scientific evidence to tell me that Teddy is tough after watching him play Rutgers with a sprained ankle and a broken wrist, or evidence that he's loved by staff and team after watching him interact with others on the sideline and in the locker room. Because you can see it when it's not there, too (see Jeff George and Jay Cutler). I don't need scientific evidence to tell me that Matt Kalil wasn't a great leader of men or that Ray Lewis and Brett Favre had nearly destructive levels of passion for the game. Some things you can see.
I think the OP has an uplifting message; way more than I could've posted. I like it!
One of the greatest games (and tail gates, btw) I've been at was Teddy's first start vs Atlanta. Pretty sure we were picked to lose that one, but team was ready, and Teddy was awesome. It was a fantastic day to be a Viking fan, and the pre-game party along with seeing the game outside live is something I'll never forget.
The TeDEE! chants were almost deafening at times.
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i disagree. other boards, comments sections in the star tribune etc, there is a lot of teddy doubt, there was a lot of doubt back in 2015 and going into 2016. I have seen many fans say he’s mediocre, or a game manager at best, especially in comparison to Carr
That's because Carr is a franchise QB. Carr threw for 81 TDs and only 31 INTs his first 3 years. Teddy can't touch those numbers. Bridgewater might be mediocre or he could be better than that. How does that translate to hate? Its just the current facts.
And Carr/Oakland is not playing well right now. Or not nearly as well as I would have expected this year. Carr 2-3 6 turnovers with QBR 38.6. That's bad even if you dont' like QBR. He's just not playing well so far this year.
He's dealing with a back injury.
Not according to them or Carr he is 100% healthy. And if he wasn't it was for the last game only. Not the first 4.
LOL, ok. So can we talk the 3 years prior to the 2017 season then? Jesus, I swear. If some of you can't even admit that Derek Carr is a better QB than Teddy, than what the hell is the use of discussion?
Did I say that? Carr had a far better 3rd year obviously and was in the running for MVP.
So....what is your point then?
Just noting that he seems to be having a down year this year after a magical year last year. Hopefully he rebounds because he was my second favorite QB coming out. QB's have up and down years. You never know.....
417 yards, 3 TDs and the win last night for Carr. You can't keep talent like that down for very long.
Thank goodness. Now I can go back to starting a few of the players on that team.
Also: I thought Oakland was going to find all these ways to use C. Patterson at WR: he has 11 receptions for 62 yards.
He's also got 10 rushes for 124 and 2 TDs...as well as a near 30 yard ave on 10 KRs...Kind of like here in Minnesota, the top 2 WRs garner the bulk of the attention...
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He's also got 10 rushes for 124 and 2 TDs...as well as a near 30 yard ave on 10 KRs...Kind of like here in Minnesota, the top 2 WRs garner the bulk of the attention...
He'll always do great on KRs, for sure. He's amazing. Gadget run plays, same thing sporadically. But he's a WR. Or supposed to be. And that's what Oakland said all offseason they had in store for him. Its not happening. Nor was it going to happen. All that physical talent just can't be maximized. I liked CP and continue to root for the guy.
I have grown tired of this argument. Sam is who many thought he was. Skeptical about his knee and raised concerns. Now Teddy has the same concerns but he is now back and practicing. Sam looks to be pretty much done with the Vikings. Whats more to talk about?
In Case I trust as of now. This defense is one of the best in many years. We will go to the SB in our own house. In Case I trust
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I happen to agree with Skodin. I think it depends on where you do your Internet browsing, but I'm on 3 or 4 fan pages on Facebook and there's quite a few people on those pages that are absolutely not Teddy fans. Anytime something is posted about Teddy, a lot of the articles are filled with fans saying he sucks, he's terrible, this, that and the other. In comparison to our board debate it's much more venomous. I don't really go to the Pioneer Press or Star Tribune so unless there's a linked article these are generally amateur/fan board articles that I'm seeing. And yeah, it isn't good.
As for the other points Skodin makes, I definitely agree with him regarding the team and coaching support. They love him. They see everything we don't see because they are with him during practice, during workouts, during team meetings, and off the field. We don't know Teddy like they do. We don't see what they see. I'm encouraged by their excitement about his return. I'm not expecting miracles out of Teddy but I see him (in healthy condition) as an upgrade over Case by a fair bit.
Neither Teddy or Case have Sam's arm talent, but Case moves well in the pocket, rolls out well, and has escapability. Teddy (pre-injury) possessed those same skills, to an even greater degree than Case. Will he still have that ability? We are going to find out soon, I believe.
I have identified the problem...."on facebook"
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