Are We Unserious?

[supafreak84]

Consciously or otherwise I've resisted the "Blame ownership!" temptation because it's akin to yelling at a cloud. I mean, all of this is, but going after the owners REALLY is because there's an almost 0% chance of anything changing in that regard. At least with staff and players you have some turnover. If we conclude that the Wilfs are the problem then what hope do we have left? Knicks fans have wanted Dolan to sell for years and years but the perennial clown show continues. So while you might be right, I have to continue to believe they'll figure it out. Because the other option is too grim to entertain.

You are correct, but it is ownership and having two dolts who run the organization like its their fun little side project has been the problem. I'm at the point where I firmly believe lightning is going to have to strike for this organization to win a championship under Wilf ownership. There's a clear 21 year pattern of dysfunction, poor decisions, and flawed organizational philosophies under their watch to make me think anything differently.

Is it a "fun" position to be in as a fan....absolutely not

[Vikesrock]

Pohlad???

Things went off the rails later in his tenure, but the golden years were under Winter...

I still relish the 60/70's when this team was winning with Grant/Finks, a perennial division winner, winning BIG NFCCG's and getting to super-bowls. 

Y'all know the curse Hunt/AFC put on the Vikings back in 60/61 right?

I have heard about it, but it was a bit before my time.  I really started watching the Vikings right after the Miracle in the Met.  One of my strongest childhood memories is I believe the 82 season.  It was the first strike season and they only played like 9 games.  Anyways they re-seeded the playoffs to just take the top 8 teams.  The Vikings drew the Falcons in the first round and proceeded to pummel them.  Then, they ran up against freaking John Riggins and the Washington Redskins.  If I remember correctly Riggins ran for almost 200 yards and at the end of the game took a bow to the crowd.  That infuriated me!  I was 8 years old at the time and even rooted for the Cowboys to beat them in the NFC Championship game.  I cried when the Skins won and then won the Super Bowl.

A few years later, my dad had a friend named Mike "Riggs".  Mike was a HUGE guy.  Probably 6'5"ish and over 300lbs.  Anyways, my dad thought it would be funny to tell me that it was John Riggins brother.  Here I am, 11 years old, all 85 lbs of me walk right up to this guy and yell "Your brother is a punk and he sucks".  Hated John Riggins my whole childhood and the Redskins were my most hated team.  Of course my sister, just to piss me off, decided she was a Redskins fan going forward.  Now she is flipping Packers fan...

[JR44]

Didn't the Colts do something similar when they brought in Jones on a one year deal with a 22 year old QB who was the 4th pick in the draft and only had 15 starts?

[Vikergirl]

It's just meh whatever until proven otherwise. The Murray memes are fun though.

[MAD GAINZ]

It's just meh whatever until proven otherwise. The Murray memes are fun though.

LMAO

[IceRatz16]

I hear ya, P.


Keep in mind that this is what a lot of fans wanted, maybe not so much in here as elsewhere, but they were clamoring for change...


I heard was that McCarthy wasn't the answer and that "he sucks" and that "he's too immature" and that "he needs to change his mechanics" and that "he is not the future".


We will see how this all shakes out, but here we go.

[medaille]

I like the Wilfs. I generally like the plan. I think any complaint you have about the Wilfs applies to 26+ teams.

Historically, I’ve generally liked KOC. I like Flores as a DC, although I haven’t listened to him talk too much.

I think this offseason has been a low grade nightmare in terms of PR, with the way that Kwesi got fired followed by a bunch of backstabbing in the media, followed by the Vikings not doing anything to really shut down the drama. I think there’s a very real possibility that the media took some comments out of context and just ran with it and the Vikings could have and should have said something that counters the narrative that it’s a sinking ship in Minnesota and everyone has abandoned rationality for the sake of fighting for their own careers. Combined with the public dogpiling on JJM. I think a small handful of tweets with JJ out there running routes with JJM in a warm climate would have gone a long way.

I don’t hate the GM firing timeline. I don’t think you just bring in a GM and they hit the ground running. I think that’s how you get Kwesi’s first draft. He has a half implemented system and it underperforms.

I also think there’s unfinished business with the previous plan. I don’t think it was meant to be a one year plan, and I don’t think getting a new GM and pivoting immediately is a wise one. That would probably just result in a very muddy plan that didn’t work, and resulted in KOC and Flores getting fired. I also don’t think the plan last year was complete garbage. I think there was some midsized poor planning combined with bad injury luck that really derailed the overall plan. I really think KOC screwed up last year. His plan for the offense wasn’t good. His understanding of where JJM was in his progress wasn’t really good, but I’d still rather have him try again than pivot, and I lowkey love the Murray signing, because I think it will severely stress test KOC’s ego. I think this season can really go well or really go not well and I think a lot of it is going to center around whether KOC molds his scheme around the QBs he has or if he tries to squish the QBs he has into the scheme he’s rolled out for years. I understand that the Vikings have said “There will be a competition” and 80% of the fanbase has read that in there heads as “There is not going to be a competition” or “Kyler will win the competition easily because JJM is trash”. I think there will be a competition. I don’t think we’re rolling into training camp with one QB taking all the #1 reps and your favored QB is sitting on the sideline by themselves in a personal raincloud. I say that because I don’t think that JJM is really being abandoned after 10 games, just that he rightly can’t be handed the job because last season wasn’t great.

[Greylock]

You are correct, but it is ownership and having two dolts who run the organization like its their fun little side project has been the problem. I'm at the point where I firmly believe lightning is going to have to strike for this organization to win a championship under Wilf ownership. There's a clear 21 year pattern of dysfunction, poor decisions, and flawed organizational philosophies under their watch to make me think anything differently.

Is it a "fun" position to be in as a fan....absolutely not

The dysfunction, poor decisions, and flawed organizational philosophies are not unique to the Vikings.  It applies to all of the major sports teams in Minneapolis, maybe not the Wild.  But remember when Glen Taylor made his secret handshake deal with Joe Smith and lost like 4 first round picks as a result.  He traded Kevin Garnett then made a promise years later to bring him back as a minority owner only to renege on the deal.  Haven't done shit since.  The Twins are just happy to have a .500 record at the end of the season.  Put the team on the market which made everybody happy, just to pull it off the market months later.  Always shopping in the bargain bin hoping to find a gem coming back from injury.  Takes a special person to be a fan of any of the Minneapolis sports teams!

[JR44]

You would think we are replacing Darnold with Murray from the comments. I really do not get the outrage and obviously there is more to this than just JJM getting competition that has some up in arms, definitely some agendas. Funny the argument about mediocrity, but then defending to not have competition and potentially replace a guy who had one of the worst years by a Viking QB in our history.

Wilfs can be blamed for the Kwesi hiring for sure, but overall they have been great owners and have fully supported the organization. But some here obviously have issues with them that extend beyond football and there is a lot of displaced anger. Do not think the Colts fans attacked Isray last year for essentially doing the same thing.

[comet52]

From Max Winters; yeah at least they made some Super Bowls to Pohlad, Mike Lynn and the gang of ten, to McCombs and now Wilf. 

The original ownership was a group and while there were some internal power struggles and changes, it remained a "gang" until McCombs took over.  From the time they hired Bud to the time Wilf bought the team it was in the playoffs 2/3 of the time.  Since then it's about 1/3 or half as much.
 

Signing Murray has done one thing.  It has prevented the Vikings from winning a Super Bowl for at least 3 years. 

That seems like emotional hyperbole.

Mediocrity is the Wilf way. 

I agree on the field.  Clearly off the field they know how to build buildings and run an ok organization.  But football is the meat of the matter and most of what you said about triangles and out of box stuff is true.  They seemingly value short term feelings over long term strategy.  The slightest strain from having to be patient through growing pains is unacceptable to them.  So you get the quarterback of the year club and yoyoing from good year to bad year, playoffs to no playoffs, and when you are in the playoffs you typically do a pratfall onto your face which is totally embarrassing.

Maybe when their kids inherit the team one of them will have some long term vision and build a winner.   The short term, "anything can happen" philosophy as expressed by Mark Wilf is just plain lazy.   They want a set it and forget it franchise--do whatever quirky hires/front office setup then walk away and spend time on stuff they are really interested in.  That's why their front office turning into a dysfunctional mess for a 2nd time in less than 5 years is apparently a surprise to them.  They aren't around the office to even know what's going on it seems.