QB option nobody is talking about...

[JimmyinSD]

KOC said the 'QB room' would be upgraded....he didn't specifically mention the starter. The only real doubt the team has is can he stay healthy? And I think they believe he can but he'll have to show it...hard to argue he wasn't snakebit. And there can't be an UDFA like Brosmer at QB2 and there won't be. Wentz getting injured and the O-line decimation with injuries really complicated things. JJM was 6-4 as a starter.

The team HAS to see JJ McCarthy to its end or its true beginning. He'll be QB1 come September.

Brosmer wasnt QB2 until QB1 went down... again.   We can point fingers all day at Brosmer,  but he was supposed to be a project, not the starter or even QB2. 

JJM needs to get his shit right mentally,  his body right physically and put this fucking thing to bed this year.  He needs to play hard,  but with the understanding that he isnt going to intimidate anybody on the other side of the ball with his physicality,  he best way to take their soul is by staying on the field and crushing their spirit by hanging 6s on the board.

[StickierBuns]

Brosmer wasnt QB2 until QB1 went down... again.   We can point fingers all day at Brosmer,  but he was supposed to be a project, not the starter or even QB2. 

JJM needs to get his shit right mentally,  his body right physically and put this fucking thing to bed this year.  He needs to play hard,  but with the understanding that he isnt going to intimidate anybody on the other side of the ball with his physicality,  he best way to take their soul is by staying on the field and crushing their spirit by hanging 6s on the board.

Well.....yeah, that's what young QBs all need to do, learn things.

[JimmyinSD]

Well.....yeah, that's what young QBs all need to do, learn things.

I would hope a QB in his second year in the pros would have enough common sense to not try and square up defenders as he is running OB, especially one that is a year removed from a major knee injury,  a  couple months from a significant concussion,  and an ankle injury that have basically rendered his first 2 years in the league as useless in determining if he has a future as our QB.  I love the kid,  but he needs to grow up quicker mentally than what he showed this year.

[StickierBuns]

I would hope a QB in his second year in the pros would have enough common sense to not try and square up defenders as he is running OB, especially one that is a year removed from a major knee injury,  a  couple months from a significant concussion,  and an ankle injury that have basically rendered his first 2 years in the league as useless in determining if he has a future as our QB.  I love the kid,  but he needs to grow up quicker mentally than what he showed this year.

I guess I'm surprised SO many fans on this board were so upset with this play by JJ. I think he was very frustrated with all of his injuries and he had some of that to vent off with that play. Was it really that big of a deal? IMO it showed moxie and fire, that stiff arm was sweet!  I don't know, IMO I don't get the angst over it. Just me I guess.

[JimmyinSD]

I guess I'm surprised SO many fans on this board were so upset with this play by JJ. I think he was very frustrated with all of his injuries and he had some of that to vent off with that play. Was it really that big of a deal? IMO it showed moxie and fire, that stiff arm was sweet!  I don't know, IMO I don't get the angst over it. Just me I guess.

Pretty sure the kid could shit in your cheerios and you would be ok with it,  you are likely as big a fan of his as his Mom.  I think myself and others want to see good decision making and some maturity.  He has enough to deal with from his shaky start to his career.   He can lead in ways that dont make him a bigger target for the opposition or hos detractors. 

Maybe its just me starting to think he is made of glass and not wating to see our new(ish) toy get broken... again.

[MaroonBells]

I guess I'm surprised SO many fans on this board were so upset with this play by JJ. I think he was very frustrated with all of his injuries and he had some of that to vent off with that play. Was it really that big of a deal? IMO it showed moxie and fire, that stiff arm was sweet!  I don't know, IMO I don't get the angst over it. Just me I guess.

For me it wasn’t about that play by itself. By itself I don’t think anyone cares. It’s just a number of things he’s done on and off the field that, put together, signal immaturity.

It was interesting watching Drake Maye in the playoffs. He wasn’t great, but the calmness in his body language was just so much different than JJ’s. He seemed years older. If Maye’s ceiling is Tom Brady, JJ’s is maybe Brett Favre. Like with Favre, I don’t think you’re ever going to take that moxie out of him, just hope it evens out as he matures. Everything with JJ last year was too much. Too much youth, too much arm, too much amp, too much 9.

If the sign of a mature QB is a quiet mind, JJ’s mind is louder than my daughter’s stereo. He's got to find the right balance.

[StickierBuns]

For me it wasn’t about that play by itself. By itself I don’t think anyone cares. It’s just a number of things he’s done on and off the field that, put together, signal immaturity.

It was interesting watching Drake Maye in the playoffs. He wasn’t great, but the calmness in his body language was just so much different than JJ’s. He seemed years older. If Maye’s ceiling is Tom Brady, JJ’s is maybe Brett Favre. Like with Favre, I don’t think you’re ever going to take that moxie out of him, just hope it evens out as he matures. Everything with JJ last year was too much. Too much youth, too much arm, too much amp, too much 9.

If the sign of a mature QB is a quiet mind, JJ’s mind is louder than my daughter’s stereo. He's got to find the right balance.

You're talking different kinds of personalities. Fiery or calm. JMO, I think some of you are mixing his locker room antics with his on the field ones: completely different. And a few posters threw in the ol' 'he needs to prove something first before he acts like that' which shows where its coming from: old school, pay your dues crap. There's plenty of fiery QBs in the NFL, including Tom Brady, Baker Mayfield and Peyton Manning, and that's only naming a few. Patrick Mahomes has been plenty demonstrative. What some fans have a problem with isn't anything other than he looked really bad for a stretch....and they decided he was a bust. Everything he did afterwards was just fodder for criticism and they couldn't look at him any other way. He does have a different persona on gameday and like other players have said, so do they. But he's always been this way. The lack of maturity things just doesn't ring true here, but I'm his 'Mom' here so the board is tired of me trying to show some positivity that his story isn't over yet. I'm still ringing his bell, but like I've done with every other player, if he sucks this year I'll be there to say so. 

To encapsulate where I currently am with JJ: love his upside still, excited to see him with more reps and fully expect him to be QB1 in September. I don't think any of that is unusual or beyond the pale. And as I've mentioned, if KOC think he's toast, we'll all know in the next 2 months by who he brings in to 'elevate the QB room'. Because no matter what anyone thinks, the team cannot have a repeat of last year at the position production-wise. I don't begrudge anyone any feelings about his play, but I really don't think he suffers from any lack of maturity. His teammates certainly don't think so.

[MaroonBells]

You're talking different kinds of personalities. Fiery or calm. JMO, I think some of you are mixing his locker room antics with his on the field ones: completely different. And a few posters threw in the ol' 'he needs to prove something first before he acts like that' which shows where its coming from: old school, pay your dues crap. There's plenty of fiery QBs in the NFL, including Tom Brady, Baker Mayfield and Peyton Manning, and that's only naming a few. Patrick Mahomes has been plenty demonstrative. What some fans have a problem with isn't anything other than he looked really bad for a stretch....and they decided he was a bust. Everything he did afterwards was just fodder for criticism and they couldn't look at him any other way. He does have a different persona on gameday and like other players have said, so do they. But he's always been this way. The lack of maturity things just doesn't ring true here, but I'm his 'Mom' here so the board is tired of me trying to show some positivity that his story isn't over yet. I'm still ringing his bell, but like I've done with every other player, if he sucks this year I'll be there to say so. 

To encapsulate where I currently am with JJ: love his upside still, excited to see him with more reps and fully expect him to be QB1 in September. I don't think any of that is unusual or beyond the pale. And as I've mentioned, if KOC think he's toast, we'll all know in the next 2 months by who he brings in to 'elevate the QB room'. Because no matter what anyone thinks, the team cannot have a repeat of last year at the position production-wise. I don't begrudge anyone any feelings about his play, but I really don't think he suffers from any lack of maturity. His teammates certainly don't think so.

I agree on his upside. I'm still very excited to see what he eventually becomes. The ceiling is over the moon. But I don't fully expect him to be the starter in September. I hope he is, but if I'm honest with myself, he might be another year away. I think he's the kind of QB who needed a Jordan Love or Aaron Rodgers type on ramp and he didn't get it. The injury his rookie season really set him back. So what we saw last year was a rookie being thrown into the fire too soon. He developed some bad habits that need to be corrected this offseason...and maybe next.

[StickierBuns]

I agree on his upside. I'm still very excited to see what he eventually becomes. The ceiling is over the moon. But I don't fully expect him to be the starter in September. I hope he is, but if I'm honest with myself, he might be another year away. I think he's the kind of QB who needed a Jordan Love or Aaron Rodgers type on ramp and he didn't get it. The injury his rookie season really set him back. So what we saw last year was a rookie being thrown into the fire too soon. He developed some bad habits that need to be corrected this offseason...and maybe next.

Listen, I know I'm a little over-the-top on JJM, it doesn't escape me lol. And I'm sure a big eye roll for most of the board right now as we're all in 'prove it' mode. Long time until he throws another football in a regular season game to prove anything. 

No doubt you and others could be right: he might not be the starter come September. And I'll get behind whomever takes the spot from McCarthy if that happens. Certainly going to be interesting what transpires the next few months, including the Draft.

[purplefaithful]

I think this is the most interesting off-season in a long while...