Yeesh...

[medaille]

How is the rest of the league doing during this same timeframe? Obviously, comparing the teams that are doing the best to the ones that are struggling is probably going to be pretty lopsided, but what's the overall league baseline?

[mblack]

This is one of those useless comparisons for clicks. Anyway, the Vikings poor QB play opened the door for this nonsense.

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We have young QBs who are not yet good at throwing deep or dissecting complex defenses. Can someone explain to me why we don’t do the following:

• Ground and pound run game
  
• More short throws like 10-15 yard throws
  
• Getting the ball to the receivers/ play makers closer to the LOS
  

I understand this is not a long term success plan but it keeps the team tighter and avoids some of the costly turn overs.

Like many have said and I agree there are more issues with this team and not just the QB. I really believe there needs to be a review of our offensive tendencies especially when we are trying to develops a young QB.

[Canthony]

its like KOC wanted the kid to fail,  play calling sucked,  the team played like they werent motivated ( something  I almost assured others would not be the case ) its not often I am embarrassed to be a fan of this team, but yesterday was certainly one of them.

How so? The playbook, especially in the first half, was completely dumbed down. Very basic offense like it was a preseason game.

[JimmyinSD]

How so? The playbook, especially in the first half, was completely dumbed down. Very basic offense like it was a preseason game.

Well going for it on 4th and 1 with a play that had very few options and likleyhood of success.  Take the damn points there.  Running on first down to the point of running against over loaded boxes because everyone knew what was coming.  

And not sticking with the dumbed down passing game,  if the receivers catch the damn balls its a completely different ball game.

[Canthony]

Well going for it on 4th and 1 with a play that had very few options and likleyhood of success.  Take the damn points there.  Running on first down to the point of running against over loaded boxes because everyone knew what was coming.  

And not sticking with the dumbed down passing game,  if the receivers catch the damn balls its a completely different ball game.

Yesh Brosmer has been the only QB that WRs dropped the ball.

[JimmyinSD]

Yesh Brosmer has been the only QB that WRs dropped the ball.

Where did i say that,  he was the only QB we had play this week... for fucks sake,  if you want to look for fights all the time,  go somewhere else,  not worth the time.

[purplefaithful]

KOC does have some dirt on his hands this season imo...

But I really have noticed a dumbed-down offense the last 3 or so games. Sadly, that makes it easier on defenses too.

[pattersaur]

KOC does have some dirt on his hands this season imo...

But I really have noticed a dumbed-down offense the last 3 or so games. Sadly, that makes it easier on defenses too.

The KO pile-on is so overblown. He's a great coach with one hand and a leg tied behind his back right now.

I imagine it's pretty hard to call a good game when you don't trust your Quarterback to protect the football, make accurate passes, or even to just play smart. It's likely the same reason our receivers are dropping balls this year and our O-lineman are false starting.

There is no familiarity. No comfort level. And no rhythm between Quarterback and the rest of the team. THAT part I'm happy to blame KO/KAM/everybody for. It's insane we went into the season with seemingly zero self-awareness of our QB room's true capabilities. Roast them all for that.

But to nitpick playcalls in a 26-0 loss that we weren't going to win regardless? What's the use

[supafreak84]

There is no familiarity. No comfort level. And no rhythm between Quarterback and the rest of the team. THAT part I'm happy to blame KO/KAM/everybody for. It's insane we went into the season with seemingly zero self-awareness of our QB room's true capabilities. Roast them all for that.

I've got a couple issues with O'Connell;

- Like you mentioned, he's a part (likely a big part) in the failed quarterback evaluations since he's been here. There's no way Kwesi and the front office haven't relied heavily on his "expertise" on the position and his evaluations on these guys. From Jaren Hall, to Sam Howell, to JJ McCarthy, to Brosmer. They've all been awful, so how can we expect him to pick out a franchise quarterback when the results have been what they've been? It's why I say, between the GM and the head coach, you have to have someone in the building that knows what they are doing at quarterback and I dont think we have that currently. 

- If you are an upper echelon offensive mind, you are going to find a way to generate some semblance of offense, especially with the skill position guys we have on the team. We are 29th in the league in average yards a game, 28th in points per game, 31st in converting 3rd downs. It's a total shit show and it leads me to believe he's somewhat of a fraud who can only do anything when all the pieces are in place. Well in the NFL that's rare and you need to overcome. His affinity for wanting to pass the football is well known. Starting an UDFA rookie on the road against Seattle, of the first 23 plays of the game, 17 were passes. That's inexcusable.

[medaille]

The KO pile-on is so overblown. He's a great coach with one hand and a leg tied behind his back right now.

I imagine it's pretty hard to call a good game when you don't trust your Quarterback to protect the football, make accurate passes, or even to just play smart. It's likely the same reason our receivers are dropping balls this year and our O-lineman are false starting.

There is no familiarity. No comfort level. And no rhythm between Quarterback and the rest of the team. THAT part I'm happy to blame KO/KAM/everybody for. It's insane we went into the season with seemingly zero self-awareness of our QB room's true capabilities. Roast them all for that.

But to nitpick playcalls in a 26-0 loss that we weren't going to win regardless? What's the use

It's a KOC pile-on because the majority of our struggles were KOC decisions.  It's a KOC pile-on because he's the QB whisperer and he's failing his QBs more than his QBs are failing him.

It's hard for KOC to call a game, because all the plays in the playbook they practiced are too hard for his QBs to run, and the simpler ones are probably ones they've practiced for the first time last week.