Kwesi Train

[supafreak84]

I don't think either KOC or KAM are going to lose their jobs. Not sure why some think that will happen. I can't say definitively, of course, but its probably 90% that doesn't happen IMO. They both just signed extensions, lol. KOC was just Coach of the Year. 

I see a lot of disgruntled fans losing their shit, but what else is new?

Staying status quo would be the dumbest thing ever

[AGRforever]

Was listening to Judd's podcast last night and a few nuggets;

- there's a lot of behind the scenes finger pointing going on that could boil over and become public very soon. This all dates back to the handling of the quarterback position

- assistant head coach and LB coach Mike Pettine mysteriously did not make the trip to Seattle with the team. No explanation provided by the team.

- O'Connell is expected to have built up enough "good will" during his tenure that no matter what happens the rest of the season, he is expected to return for at least next year. Kwesi....not so much.

God let’s hope so. The handling of QB hasn’t just been a FK up this year. But it’s certainly come home to roost this year. 

We need to take a dive until we get enough of a draft pick to get exactly who they want. Not the fifth best prospect. If they believed in Maye they should have either figured it out or found a veteran if they weren’t sold on McCarthy.

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Staying status quo would be the dumbest thing ever

Something has to change. Hopefully it involves Kwesi

[StickierBuns]

Staying status quo would be the dumbest thing ever

Whether it is or not, who knows? But in less than a year after they BOTH sign extensions you fire them? It won't happen. They'll get a chance to dig out of this hole of a season. I know the pitchfork crowd wants their pound of flesh, but its not happening this offseason, IMO. 

I wonder what happened with Pettine? Didn't make the trip, didn't coach in the game.

[supafreak84]

Whether it is or not, who knows? But in less than a year after they BOTH sign extensions you fire them? It won't happen. They'll get a chance to dig out of this hole of a season. I know the pitchfork crowd wants their pound of flesh, but its not happening this offseason, IMO. 

I wonder what happened with Pettine? Didn't make the trip, didn't coach in the game.

The Wilfs fired Childress the very next season after stupidly signing him to a contract extension. It can and has happened

[purplefaithful]

I don't think either KOC or KAM are going to lose their jobs. Not sure why some think that will happen. I can't say definitively, of course, but its probably 90% that doesn't happen IMO. They both just signed extensions, lol. KOC was just Coach of the Year. 

I see a lot of disgruntled fans losing their shit, but what else is new?

We'll have to agree to disagree for now...Wilfs arent afraid to write people big chx after firing em (see Chili).

What we probably agree on is that it could get a lot darker as this season comes to a merciful end. Those home games are not going to be pleasant unless the team does a complete reversal of being competitive on the field. 

That booing and a stadium full of Lions and Packer fans wont sit well with ownership. Might just tip them to doing things that are more drastic vs less.

[StickierBuns]

Guys....lol. There's no way they are firing KOC. KAM? Probably not, but a MUCH higher chance. The Brad Childress thing was completely different, KOC was COY.

When did fans booing ever really mean anything? Hell, Philly fans were booing their team against Chicago when the game was scoreless....and they just won last year's Superbowl.

Step away from social media, lol. Honestly.

[JimmyinSD]

my biggest concern is in an effort to save their jobs... they use their picks out of desperation, if they dont have faith in Brosmer or JJM figuring it out, they grab the first QB that has a first round grade, and so on down the draft, or worse yet they package some future picks to go get the consensus #1 in what appears to be a very very poor QB draft. ( from what I've heard, I have no idea who will or wont be declaring)

[hogjowlsjohnny]

God let’s hope so. The handling of QB hasn’t just been a FK up this year. But it’s certainly come home to roost this year. 

We need to take a dive until we get enough of a draft pick to get exactly who they want. Not the fifth best prospect. If they believed in Maye they should have either figured it out or found a veteran if they weren’t sold on McCarthy.

Agree. Just like what happened with Spielman and Ponder. They wanted a QB and took what they thought was the best, left over draft choice.

[JimmyinSD]

Agree. Just like what happened with Spielman and Ponder. They wanted a QB and took what they thought was the best, left over draft choice.

they were talking about JJM several weeks before the draft,  before they knew that they weren't going to be able to move up.  I dont think they viewed him as desperation choice by any means or they would have went with Nix who's ceiling may not have been as high,  but likely to have been a safer pick.

[medaille]

I’m much less on the anti-Kwesi train than a lot of people. I think this season is much more on the coaching staff than it is on the personnel teams, and most egregiously it’s on the offensive coaching staff. I think if the offense was able to get functional play out of the QB position, this whole season looks dramatically different, and we’re not so concerned about the roster composition. This roster, outside of QB, is still one of the better rosters. I like Turner, I like Jackson, I like Addison, heck I still like JJM. I’m not massively concerned about his drafting ability. I just think we need to lay off the trades for a little while.

My biggest concern is with KOC’s offensive scheme and his ego around it. I think it’s too complicated and too hard for many QBs, and especially for young QBs, and I just don’t think he made the right decision going into the season to pretty much run his full offense without any real training wheels for his two young QBs and Wentz, who’s never really been a high-processing QB. A very typical thing teams with young QBs do is pair them with a run heavy scheme. We’re bottom 3 in the league in rushing attempts, despite being top 10 in terms of ypc. I don’t think I remember seeing a single instance of having a 6th OL on the field to really try to establish some physicality in the rush game. I also think KOC’s scheme feels like it’s everything past 20 yards getting open at the same time, and less like something where reading a progression would have different players potentially open at different times. It feels like the entire quick passing game is screens. I think you could run a defense with 2 safeties deep, 2 CBs covering the flats for a screen and ending up deep, and basically just ignoring everything between the numbers out to 20 yards, and it would smother our offense just fine. I think we compound problems by asking our RB’s and TE’s to chip and get out into routes as a safety valve. Hockenson is too slow to chip and then run a route. He very frequently half-asses a chip and then is too late to be where he needs to be to catch a ball because the guy he didn’t slow down his rusher at all. One immediate change, I think they could make is to stop doing that. Just leave them in to block or let them run routes. The stupidest possible thing is to have Hockenson be the only receiver running a short route when he’s also chipping. I’d much rather make Addison or Jefferson or Nailor try to scramble around and get open than have your slowest receiving option be the only realistic target and also have them be late to their spot, where any person within 20 yards can tackle him before he can turn around.

That said, I think JJM and Brosmer will eventually grow into this offense if he doesn’t make any changes, but it’s just going to be brutal until they figure it out, and he shouldn’t be putting this burden on them, although it’s probably too late now to create a new playbook for his rookie QBs.