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IF you have the stomach for it: Another JJM Thread
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Analysis: Vikings Nation needs to stay patient with J.J. McCarthy

Ask Matthew Stafford, Baker Mayfield and Peyton Manning whether final judgment should be rendered on McCarthy after only six career games.

If you’re among the few humans left with the patience to read these words, please reduce them to a catchy video soundbite and share with the others in Vikings Nation.

This is a tale about some young quarterbacks who were gosh-awful through six games of NFL careers that began as first-round draft picks.

The first fella was terrible. In his sixth game, he threw five interceptions and posted a 42.2 passer rating as his record fell to 1-5 with a 53.7 completion percentage, five touchdown passes and 12 interceptions.

His name: Matthew Stafford.

This next guy was even worse. In his sixth game, he completed 48.8% of his passes as his record fell to 1-5 with six touchdown passes and 14 interceptions.

His name: Peyton Manning.

We could go on.

We could mention how Drake Maye started 2-4 while completing 57.5% of his passes with New England last year. We could mention that Baker Mayfield started 1-5 while completing 58.7% of his passes with Cleveland in 2018.

None of this is meant to say the Vikings’ J.J. McCarthy will be the MVP front-runner when he’s 37, like Stafford. Or win five MVPs and stroll into the Hall of Fame, like Manning. Or start next season 10-2 while completing a league-best 71% of his passes on a team that sits atop its conference, like Maye is doing in Year 2 with New England.

It is, however, meant to somehow influence Vikings Nation and national media folks to CALM THE HECK DOWN! Just a whiff of something resembling a hint of patience would be a good start.

McCarthy is 2-4. He’s a 54.1% passer. He has thrown six touchdown passes and 10 interceptions. His passer rating is 57.9.

He has not been good. And now he’s in the concussion protocol and unlikely to play Sunday at Seattle.

But…

Six games, people. SIX.

So, to answer the ridiculous but predictably uber-impatient NFL question of the week, no, the Vikings shouldn’t move on from McCarthy. Not now or next week if undrafted rookie Max Brosmer somehow helps upset Sam Darnold and the Seahawks.

Good Lord.

Franchise-altering decisions were made with McCarthy as the focal point. More will follow. Brosmer? Sorry, Max, but please. In this movie, your name comes at the end of the credits as “third quarterback to appear.”

Granted, McCarthy’s sixth game included a second half in which the Vikings posted 4 yards while holding the ball for 8½ minutes in a stinker at Green Bay. But still…

Six games. SIX.

Quarterback is a different animal. Understood. But can’t some of the oxygen spent on destroying McCarthy since the second half of the Packers game be spread to, among others…

Left tackle Christian Darrisaw looking like T.J. Clemmings against Micah Parsons?
Center Ryan Kelly looking like Garrett Bradbury getting run over by Parsons?
Brian O’Neill not looking like the top-three right tackle he was a year ago, especially on that fourth-and-1 tackle for a loss in the red zone?
Adam Thielen dropping a pass?
Blake Cashman getting run over by a backup running back while in great position in the gap on first-and-goal from the 1?
Josh Metellus handing the Packers their first touchdown with a 24-yard pass interference penalty?
Myles Price not getting the heck away from a punted ball he chose not to field?

Yes, one is well aware that there are other tales about young quarterbacks who were gosh-awful through six games and never turned it around.

Like McCarthy, Josh Rosen was a 10th overall pick (2018) who started 2-4. The Arizona Cardinals gave up on him after 13 games (3-10) to select Kyler Murray No. 1 overall the next spring en route to paying him a now-franchise-choking $46.1 million a year.

Does anyone believe the Cardinals hold the blueprint for success at making quarterback decisions?

Ryan Leaf started 2-4 with one touchdown pass and 12 interceptions as the second overall pick in 1998. He lasted three years, went 4-14 with the Chargers, 0-3 with the Dolphins and become synonymous with draft busts.

Christian Ponder started 1-5 as the 12th overall pick of the Vikings in 2011. Believe it or not, he had a higher completion percentage (56.3) than McCarthy. The Vikings gave up on him completely after four years and 36 games (14-21-1).

Could McCarthy end up following the paths of Rosen, Leaf or Ponder? Possibly.

But McCarthy has a more stable franchise than Rosen had, better coaching than Ponder had (we should try to remember what Kevin O’Connell did for Darnold’s career and bank account just last season) and appears to be infinitely more mature than Leaf was as a player or rich, young person off the field.

Where McCarthy goes from here is anyone’s guess. But, for gosh sakes, he’s six games into his journey.

Patience, people.

And if you fail at practicing some sort of patience, go ask the QB-starved Browns, Jets and Giants — combined record: 7-27 — if they wish they had been more patient with their former first-round draft picks Mayfield, Darnold and Daniel Jones — combined record: 22-11.

STRIB
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I feel like the hope and expectations are super high. He has played 6 games. It has been a roller coaster ride of ridiculous and brutal at times but still it is 6 games. I really hope things can click but ugh it is rough right now. He lost a year and now he is learning on the job. Hoping for the best but time will tell. He is definitely getting roasted everywhere. I remember KOC saying that qbs don't fail franchises, coaches fail them. Well it is definitely time to step up
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I'm still hopeful JJM turns it around before the end of this season. As has already been mentioned several times, he's only 22, with an infant at home, complex offense, so on and so forth. Then top it off with a veteran heavy team with playoff expectations, which in theory is a good surround for a young QB, but also increases the mental stress to perform well. I agree with the others who've said if he can get his mind right, he has the physical tools.

Here's to hoping JJM and those with dirty hands in the organization are scheduled for the next available darkness retreat to cleanse themselves.  Big Grin
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All good points. Everyone is pressing and making mistakes. Jefferson dropping balls, special teams making bonehead plays. Trouble is the snowball effect. Can KOC right the ship?
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I've been a Vikings fan since day one. I think that defines the word patience!
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(Yesterday, 02:07 PM)hogjowlsjohnny Wrote: I've been a Vikings fan since day one. I think that defines the word patience!

Since the 70's for me...

I would have called anyone insane if they told me in 1977 vs Raiders that is the last SB they would play in for almost 50 years.  

Insane.
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SI.com: Why It’s Way Too Early to Draw Any Definitive Conclusions on Vikings QB J.J. McCarthy

https://www.si.com/nfl/way-too-early-to-...j-mccarthy
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For every ridiculous Peyton Manning or Josh Allen reference there should be a Zach Wilson or Josh Rosen one for balance.

Here's a guy who saw it all before it happened. A Zach comp but not the way you think.

https://firstroundmock.com/2023/12/zach-...-mccarthy/
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Kurt Warner has some in depth takes, which my sadistic YouTube algorithm keeps wedging in....

https://youtu.be/TvoENyZlJA0?si=6uU6EyfAhEjX_D5m
OK, KOC, time for that miracle....
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(10 hours ago)StickierBuns Wrote: SI.com: Why It’s Way Too Early to Draw Any Definitive Conclusions on Vikings QB J.J. McCarthy
https://www.si.com/nfl/way-too-early-to-...j-mccarthy

(7 hours ago)comet52 Wrote: For every ridiculous Peyton Manning or Josh Allen reference there should be a Zach Wilson or Josh Rosen one for balance.
Here's a guy who saw it all before it happened.  A Zach comp but not the way you think.
https://firstroundmock.com/2023/12/zach-...-mccarthy/

The whole thing is just sad to me..

This sums it up pretty, pretty well, He throws into 2 defenders at an alarming rate and holds the ball too long. Everything my eyes have seen says bust, but a little flickr inside says its just 6 games...

McCarthy’s body of work, slim as it is, per the NFC North scout above, is “too limited to really judge. “But if you’re judging (anyway),” the scout says, “There’s not much besides doom.” Like after 11 weeks, when McCarthy’s completion percentage (52.9) ranked second-to-last in the NFL, ahead only of Shedeur Sanders in limited action.

There is no doubt he'll be on the roster in 26...The only question is will he be an anointed starter or in a camp competition to start vs a proven vet?

You'd have to say the latter as of Thanksgiving day.
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