Have we seen enough of....

[supafreak84]

https://youtu.be/bIZoVO8ZyyQ?si=Ct9tgLLw8IJLWq3D

This is what some of you remind me of with Kwesi

[Knucklehead]

The Wilfs are patient owners. Sometimes patient to a fault. Still, they can't be happy that management spent over $300M of their dollars in free agency & this is the product that they're fielding. Someone in management has to pay for those decisions. If it's Kwesi, then so be it.

But there is a voice in the back of my head telling me let's not be Cleveland who changed regimes numerous times only to keep residing in the AFCN cellar.

[Bullazin]

Kwesi?

Does anyone trust him and his brain trust to run another offseason?  Other then Addison, and maybe Dallas Turner (Not for the price we paid), I can't think of another draft pick he has made worth beans.  I suppose you can say Donovan Jackson, but is he hurt again?

I know I am bitter and angry these days, but the Vikings have 8 draft picks in this upcoming draft..I would rather put a poll up on Packers.com and let them pick for us then have Kwesi ruin another draft.  

And I have to say, the dramatic down of McCarthy is very Viking.  We didn't see it coming.  Ohh I am sure there are some I told you's out there, but we had the Coach of the Year.  A resurrection of Sam Darnold.  The hope pushed forward that McCarthy can do all this...and it's not just bad...it's HISTORICALLY bad.  Hell, I would take Shough from New Orleans right now over McCarthy.  Every week, I hope it gets better, and I can say after this week...can it get worse?

Not yet.  Kwesi has not been good, but you don’t move him until he fails.  He hasn’t failed yet.  A lot is riding on Turner and especially MCcarthey, who still meeds and deserves time.  Now if next year, we are not back in the playoffs, the you look at it.  Anything earlier than that is just the torches and pitchforks instant gratification crowd.

[medaille]

If a better option is available, I'm fine with upgrading. That said, I'm not ready to call him a failure yet. I think most of his drafting issues can be be summed up as a small sample size, as he's traded away a lot of the draft picks we've had. Addison, Turner, and Jackson are all adequate starters (although Turner is stuck behind 2 pro bowl caliber players, I do think he'd be starting most teams).

In general, I've agreed with the strategy he's put out there. I liked that he was very intentional in going to get a QB in a QB rich year. I like that it was synced up with our rebuilding and cap management. I like that we surrounded our QB with talent and sort of let the defense fend for itself a bit. I like that he built from the lines out. I like that he got a RB1B to go with our RB1A. Biggest beef I have with Kwesi is him getting rid of Philips.

Most of my beef this year comes from the coaching staff and just being underwhelmed at the QB position, but I still think it was the right choice to go get a potential HOF caliber QB in the draft, rather than running with a guy who's in that upper mid category that has many years of history suggesting he's not taking a team to a SB.

I still think JJM is going to figure it out at some point in time. I'm willing to let the core staff get 2026 to see how we look. I think we can swap some guys like I think McCown has to be out, maybe upgrade the OC and bring in a guy that allows KOC to be more of a pure head coach. Got to figure something out on ST coaching.

[Still Hurtn]

He gambled and lost. In hindsight I'm not a fan of Competitive rebuild. Should have ripped off the bandaid in the beginning. Now we have no depth, no qb, aging veterans, cap issues and a GM thats produced this still in charge.

[supafreak84]

He gambled and lost. In hindsight I'm not a fan of Competitive rebuild. Should have ripped off the bandaid in the beginning. Now we have no depth, no qb, aging veterans, cap issues and a GM thats produced this still in charge.

Ding ding ding! Hit the nail on the head

[JimmyinSD]

The Wilfs are patient owners. Sometimes patient to a fault. Still, they can't be happy that management spent over $300M of their dollars in free agency & this is the product that they're fielding. Someone in management has to pay for those decisions. If it's Kwesi, then so be it.

But there is a voice in the back of my head telling me let's not be Cleveland who changed regimes numerous times only to keep residing in the AFCN cellar.

this isnt directed at the poster here,  but I see this 300M figure brought up quite a bit,  in reality it means nothing to the conversation,  the team HAS to spend X amount every single year and from the highest spender to the lowest is peanuts,  and what the low guy doesnt spend gets tacked onto next year where he eventually spend it, so the fact that the team spent 300 million in FA doesnt really mean much except that they had to spend that much on free agents because the didnt have their own talented free agents to spend it on.

the facts are the the teams drafting has been terrible and aside from a few bright additions,  their FA hasnt been as good on the field as it was on paper and something needs to change.

[Still Hurtn]

For TJ, JJM and Turner the Vikings traded
1 1st round
3 2nd round
2 3rd round
4 4th round
2 5th round
1 6th round
Or something close to that

[Chuckf]

When your team is winning, the players are good, leadership is good, the sun is warm and bright, and damn, your wife is beautiful. When you’re losing, the players suck, leadership sucks, its overcast and you wake up next to a woman who looks something like Iggy Pop.

The line has had a horrible year with injuries. After the best free agent class in our history last season, this year’s has been a disappointment. But let’s not lose sight of where the biggest problem lies. It’s not ownership, it’s not the GM, it’s not coaching. To paraphrase James Carville, “it’s the QB, stupid.”

With just average QB play this team beats the Bears, Steelers, Eagles and Ravens and we’re not having this conversation.

Completely agree Bells, but who exactly made the decisions which put the Franchise in this QB quandry?   Ultimately Kwesi is responsible.   He needs to be held accountable.  His drafts are just completely awful.  That in itself should be enough to jettison him from the GM position.

[Knucklehead]

this isnt directed at the poster here,  but I see this 300M figure brought up quite a bit,  in reality it means nothing to the conversation,  the team HAS to spend X amount every single year and from the highest spender to the lowest is peanuts,  and what the low guy doesnt spend gets tacked onto next year where he eventually spend it, so the fact that the team spent 300 million in FA doesnt really mean much except that they had to spend that much on free agents because the didnt have their own talented free agents to spend it on.

the facts are the the teams drafting has been terrible and aside from a few bright additions,  their FA hasnt been as good on the field as it was on paper and something needs to change.

To be clear, I'm not talking about $300M charged to the cap although every one of those dollars was charged against this year's cap or will be charged against future caps. I'm referring to over $300M in actual cash outlays that the Wilfs paid out for this year's FA crop. That may be peanuts against their ledger or it might not be.

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Completely agree Bells, but who exactly made the decisions which put the Franchise in this QB quandry?   Ultimately Kwesi is responsible.   He needs to be held accountable.  His drafts are just completely awful.  That in itself should be enough to jettison him from the GM position.

Sure, ultimately Kwesi is responsible for the QB quandry because he's the GM. But, one of the reason's KOC was hired was to identify this team's franchise QB. KOC gave the green light to draft JJM (I'm not saying that he won't someday be our franchise QB. He was an accurate passer at Michigan & I attribute his issues to a lack of experience & changes made to his throwing motion).

It was KOC, not Kwesi, who saw JJM every day during offseason workouts & training camp. He knew that JJM couldn't perform at the required level, yet he still trotted him out there,