Message to the Wilfs...

[JimmyinSD]

So what happened the last few years is due to luck and not the work of the coaches but this year it’s due to the coaches?
OK. I get people being upset and pissed (I am too) but damn!

Much of it has was due to players left over from Spielman and free agency,  which the later is no way to build a roster,  more like a tool to fill a few holes.

[pattersaur]

So what happened the last few years is due to luck and not the work of the coaches but this year it’s due to the coaches?
OK. I get people being upset and pissed (I am too) but damn!

Yeah KO "lucked into" a couple good years... he's only been here for 3.5 lol

[supafreak84]

Yeah KO "lucked into" a couple good years... he's only been here for 3.5 lol

I think KO has proven his offense can work with a veteran quarterback that can run the type of offense he wants ran. Cousins was able to execute it before the injury. Darnold was able to execute last season before he fell apart in the last two games. Wentz was able to execute it to an extent despute only being here a month. That's why I was surprised we didn't jump on Aaron Rodgers when we could have and instead threw all our eggs in the JJ McCarthy basket. Like, how bad does that decision look now and was this a KOC call? He's the "expert" so you'd think the organization would have deferred to him in the drafting of McCarthy and then the decision to hand him over the keys and make it his show.

[purplefaithful]

I think KO has proven his offense can work with a veteran quarterback that can run the type of offense he wants ran. Cousins was able to execute it before the injury. Darnold was able to execute last season before he fell apart in the last two games. Wentz was able to execute it to an extent despute only being here a month. That's why I was surprised we didn't jump on Aaron Rodgers when we could have and instead threw all our eggs in the JJ McCarthy basket. Like, how bad does that decision look now and was this a KOC call? He's the "expert" so you'd think the organization would have deferred to him in the drafting of McCarthy and then the decision to hand him over the keys and make it his show.

I think they clearly mis-read the tea leaves with JJM. I wouldnt have expected them to be this far off on it. 

Those are discussions they have to have with ownership when 2025 mercifully comes to an end. 

It is what it is now, gotta look ahead.

[comet52]

This thread has delivered a lot of laughs.

Not nearly as many laughs as the Vikings have delivered on the field, funny boy.

[supafreak84]

I think they clearly mis-read the tea leaves with JJM. I wouldnt have expected them to be this far off on it. 

Those are discussions they have to have with ownership when 2025 mercifully comes to an end. 

It is what it is now, gotta look ahead.

Which scares me going forward. If they so badly missed on McCarthy and fooled themselves into handing him over the reigns, what makes anybody think Kwesi, KOC and company are even capable of ever getting the long term solution at quarterback correct? We already know the deficiencies we have in scouting and with the GM. If KOC is getting fooled, how do we ever get that right?

[medaille]

I don’t think that KOC is great and JJM is shit and JJM is the sole thing holding the team back.

I think KOC either doesn’t actively know how to develop a low experience QB and whatever he’s been successful at in the past has been developing guys that already have a certain level of experience, or he dramatically over-estimated what JJM had already locked in, and put way too much on his plate for this year, and is now drowning JJM with an offense that is complicated even for veterans.

I think in reality it’s probably a little bit of both. By all accounts he’s looked pretty decent in practice, and KOC is surprised it isn’t translating onto the field. I think it was a huge mistake to give JJM the whole offense from the get go. I think it was a huge mistake to not give him more reps in the preseason. I think we got to the point where it wasn’t working, and now every week he’s changing different things, so JJM is kind of starting at week one every week instead of making progress on a good plan that hasn’t needed to change the whole time. But where is the evidence that KOC knows how to build up a rookie QB and why did we bring in McCown fresh after he failed Young?

I still like JJM. I think he’ll figure it out. I just don’t think our plan for this year was good and our attempts at fixing it have been worse.

[purplefaithful]

Which scares me going forward. If they so badly missed on McCarthy and fooled themselves into handing him over the reigns, what makes anybody think Kwesi, KOC and company are even capable of ever getting the long term solution at quarterback correct? We already know the deficiencies we have in scouting and with the GM. If KOC is getting fooled, how do we ever get that right?

The play calling and system (with this surround) has already proven itself to be solid with KC and Darnold. 

They get someone competent at QB and they'll automatically have a top 10 offense...I expect them to improve at RB and TE moving forward too.

[StickierBuns]

The play calling and system (with this surround) has already proven itself to be solid with KC and Darnold. 

They get someone competent at QB and they'll automatically have a top 10 offense...I expect them to improve at RB and TE moving forward too.

Minnesota had -1 net yards of offense in the second half. How much do we blame JJM for that....90%? More? Having Darrisaw and Jackson go out wasn't ideal, but I've stopped blaming the O-line now. 

I can say now this would be a pretty good team with competent QB play. Superbowl level? Still no IMO, but a playoff team I believe. You just aren't going to win games throwing for 87 yards and 2 INTs as your baseline. I mean Love didn't knock it out of the park either but we've seen more than enough games already in JJ's career where he's thrown for less than 100 yards or around that.

[medaille]

The play calling and system (with this surround) has already proven itself to be solid with KC and Darnold. 

They get someone competent at QB and they'll automatically have a top 10 offense...I expect them to improve at RB and TE moving forward too.

The Vikings haven’t really had a top offense any of the years that KOC has been in charge.  I’d say they’re closer to upper middle (which while technically is right around top 10, I feel is a sizeable distance away from the top offenses in the league).  That said, we have upgraded our Oline quite a bit, so the expectations should be higher.  I just think that KOC has done his one thing really well, but he hasn’t really proven that he can do anything different if the other team takes away the one thing he does well.  It’s probably unreasonable to expect him to prove that with a rookie QB.  His lack of commitment to the run and his failure to really develop a workable alternate passing scheme that works either with lesser QBs or when defenses are taking his normal scheme away are still massive open questions.

In this year of rookie and backup QBs and while bringing in more capable Oline, and bringing in a 1B RB to go with our 1A RB, we’re still bottom 3 in terms of rushing attempts, bottom 10 in terms of rushing yardage and rushing TDs, while being top 10 in YPA.

That said, I totally agree that with our Oline and with our skill position players, we really should be a top 3 offense with a legit good QB and a top 5-6 offense with an upper mid QB like Cousins, Darnold, etc.