JJ McCarthy

[supafreak84]

And I'll say one more thing about KOC. He was an offensive coordinator just twice prior to landing the Vikings head coaching job, and Never called plays. 2019 in Washington where head coach Jay Gruden called the plays before being fired. That Washington squad went 3-13 and the entire coaching staff was relieved of duty. KOC was picked up as the offensive coordinator in Los Angeles where he, once again, didn't call plays as that duty was handled by head coach Sean McVay. He didn't start actually calling plays before being hired in Minnesota. That's some Brad Childress/Eric Bienemy shit right there. You never want to hire someone who never called plays and were "hanger-on's" to head coaches who did call plays. I think that once again goes towards the inexperience of Kwesi and the Wilfs just not being football men who make wise football decisions. Me as an owner, I'd want to know how responsible that coach was for the success on the side of the ball they are coaching and that answer would have been "not much" relating to KOC.

I haven't completely thrown in the towel on KOC, but my support of him is wavering by the week

[Zanary]

To be fair, Kirko has been absolute shit since our divorce.

Kirko needs to admit that the injuries since his knee popped have signaled that it's time to hang up the cleats, and go spend all that Kohl's Cash.

[pattersaur]

No. He was gifted Kirk Cousins and a lot of talent from the former regime that lost a record number of one score games the year prior. It's not like he was bringing along a new quarterback or a roster void of talent. 

You want to give him credit for Darnold, fine, but I hope you also acknowledge his unwillingness to change things up or make adjustments in the two biggest games of the season against Detroit and the playoff loss to the Rams where Darnold was awful and pounded into oblivion. KOC held as much responsibility in those losses as Darnold did.

I guess Seattle hasn’t figured out how to get Darnold to beat the Rams either lol. Their coach must be a moron too!

[StickierBuns]

He looked rough, not sure there's any other way to see it. There's good there but man....his accuracy is going to need to improve. I'm waiting for that breakout game that shows what he's got. Hopefully its coming. Stretches were brutal. I don't think at all KOC is looking to turn away from JJ but as I mentioned a few weeks ago, expect a KOC university QB student to be in play for competition in 2026....and the org. really does like Brosmer.

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I guess Seattle hasn’t figured out how to get Darnold to beat the Rams either lol. Their coach must be a moron too!

There was Uncle Sammy's shit game under the big lights/huge game. Horrible.

[comet52]

He looked rough, not sure there's any other way to see it. There's good there but man....his accuracy is going to need to improve. I'm waiting for that breakout game that shows what he's got. Hopefully its coming. Stretches were brutal. I don't think at all KOC is looking to turn away from JJ but as I mentioned a few weeks ago, expect a KOC university QB student to be in play for competition in 2026....and the org. really does like Brosmer.

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There was Uncle Sammy's shit game under the big lights/huge game. Horrible.

The more the pressure is on the more Sammy does Sammy stuff.  Still seeing some of it this year and have mentioned it here, but today it was the difference between winning and losing that game.  Too bad for Seattle, their coach is a good defensive mind and they are really good right now but come playoff time Uncle Sammy is going to take them down the drain one way or another.  

As for JJM, I remain perplexed by what I wrote about at the start of this thread.  Why does he suddenly have touch on the ball in the last two minutes after firing mostly errant, uncatchable heaters all afternoon?    Why is he throwing like that in the first place?   Mr. QB Whisperer needs to get his head out of his butt and get things on track... imho.

[StickierBuns]

The more the pressure is on the more Sammy does Sammy stuff.  Still seeing some of it this year and have mentioned it here, but today it was the difference between winning and losing that game.  Too bad for Seattle, their coach is a good defensive mind and they are really good right now but come playoff time Uncle Sammy is going to take them down the drain one way or another.  

As for JJM, I remain perplexed by what I wrote about at the start of this thread.  Why does he suddenly have touch on the ball in the last two minutes after firing mostly errant, uncatchable heaters all afternoon?    Why is he throwing like that in the first place?   Mr. QB Whisperer needs to get his head out of his butt and get things on track... imho.

Yep, JJ has that elusive 'take the ball, drive the length of the field and score a game winner at the end' gene in him....he needs to fill in the rest of the picture. Fingers crossed. Its been bumpy unfortunately.

[Knucklehead]

Yep, JJ has that elusive 'take the ball, drive the length of the field and score a game winner at the end' gene in him....he needs to fill in the rest of the picture. Fingers crossed. Its been bumpy unfortunately.

He was an accurate passer at Michigan especially the middle field throws that he's missing now. That gives me hope that whatever is ailing him now is fixable.

[StickierBuns]

He was an accurate passer at Michigan especially the middle field throws that he's missing now. That gives me hope that whatever is ailing him now is fixable.

I guess its pretty much this for fans with the pitchforks:

Phil Mackey ?
@PhilMackey
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13h
The biggest question for all Vikings stakeholders -- ownership, front office, Kevin O'Connell... even fans and media -- is this:

Do you have the patience and stomach to wait for the JJ McCarthy development process to play out?

Impossible to determine after five games, despite what many of you knee-jerkers will say.

It might take 20-30 games to see a more definitive answer. That gets us into 2027.

Are you OK riding that rollercoaster, swallowing hard on the multi-INT games, the sailed passes, etc.?

OR do you bail... and either hope to strike gold more quickly with another drafted QB... or hit the Sam Darnold honorary discount buy-low bin again?

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As for JJM, I remain perplexed by what I wrote about at the start of this thread.  Why does he suddenly have touch on the ball in the last two minutes after firing mostly errant, uncatchable heaters all afternoon?    Why is he throwing like that in the first place?   Mr. QB Whisperer needs to get his head out of his butt and get things on track... imho.

Geoff Schwartz
@geoffschwartz
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16h
McCarthy playing well in the two minute drill… teams with young QBs who are struggling in games should use tempo more often. The hurried nature of the two minute drill forced players to play faster and less thinking.

The Brohioan
@TheBrohioan
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19h
When our WRs are wide open our QB can't hit em and when our QB throws a dot the WRs can't catch em...

Tyler Forness
@TheRealForno
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18h
J.J. McCarthy will make a throw you'd expect from a high school freshman and follow it up with a high level NFL throw that makes you go wow. He's such a roller coaster

[medaille]

I guess its pretty much this for fans with the pitchforks:

Phil Mackey ?
@PhilMackey
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13h
The biggest question for all Vikings stakeholders -- ownership, front office, Kevin O'Connell... even fans and media -- is this:

Do you have the patience and stomach to wait for the JJ McCarthy development process to play out?

Impossible to determine after five games, despite what many of you knee-jerkers will say.

It might take 20-30 games to see a more definitive answer. That gets us into 2027.

Are you OK riding that rollercoaster, swallowing hard on the multi-INT games, the sailed passes, etc.?

OR do you bail... and either hope to strike gold more quickly with another drafted QB... or hit the Sam Darnold honorary discount buy-low bin again?

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Geoff Schwartz
@geoffschwartz
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16h
McCarthy playing well in the two minute drill… teams with young QBs who are struggling in games should use tempo more often. The hurried nature of the two minute drill forced players to play faster and less thinking.

Obviously, don't listen to the fans.  If any team ever let their fans be their GM, they'd watch as the fans systematically traded every asset for picks until they had nothing left.  Fans have less patience than the Jets owner, but I guess this is probably why the Wilfs opted for a "competitive rebuild" as fans experiencing 5 games of rookie QBing was too much for many fans.  Can you imagine if they went full rebuild?

There is no path that will magically just work.  If the path existed, everyone would do it.  You get a rookie QB, there's probably a 50% chance of busting and 50% chance of having to grow into the role.  There's less than 1% chance Patrick Mahomes shows up and hits the ground running.  The idea that Darnold is a thing that can be repeated is kind of laughable.  Taking other teams failures and molding them into a Super Bowl caliber QB isn't something that is likely to work consistently.  For every Darnold, there's another Wentz or Geno Smith or Howell that just can't make the transition, and for as good as they look in the regular season, can they get the job done in the playoffs?  TBD.

That said, if there ever was an NFL landscape where a lower odds QB could win a SB, I think this is that year.

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As for JJM, I remain perplexed by what I wrote about at the start of this thread.  Why does he suddenly have touch on the ball in the last two minutes after firing mostly errant, uncatchable heaters all afternoon?    Why is he throwing like that in the first place?   Mr. QB Whisperer needs to get his head out of his butt and get things on track... imho.

I think the difference is that the end of game plays are simpler reads designed for him to hit the back of his drop and get rid of it, so everything is synced up.

The mid game plays he's standing back there making like 5 reads, his feet are bouncing around, he figures out where to throw it too late, and has to throw it faster to make up for being late.

That said, I don't know anything.

[Montana Tom]

Darnold had his sh*t game yesterday. 4 int's in that loss to the Rams.
Just sayin'...