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I really thought they were on to something...
#1
Hard to believe we still 10 games to go, but I ain't feeling too bullish these days. 

The offense I can explain away to some degree, the D? 

That is more alarming imo. 

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Coach Kevin O’Connell highlighted the need for interior offensive line upgrades from the postgame podium on Jan. 13, after the Vikings’ season had ended with nine sacks in a wild-card loss to the Rams. The Vikings signed Colts center Ryan Kelly to a two-year contract, gave his teammate Will Fries a five-year deal worth $88 million and used their first-round pick on Ohio State guard Donovan Jackson.

They also pursued more interior pass rush, meeting with multiple defensive tackles in the pre-draft process while talking with Jonathan Allen’s Minneapolis-based representatives after the former Pro Bowler was released by the Commanders. The Vikings gave Allen a three-year, $51 million deal and signed Javon Hargrave for $30 million over two years shortly after he was released by the 49ers. 

The Vikings felt good enough about the two veterans, as well as depth pieces like Jalen Redmond and Levi Drake Rodriguez, that they traded Harrison Phillips to the Jets in August.

All told, the Vikings committed more than $300 million to players this offseason, between the free agents they added and the players from their 2024 roster they re-signed. It followed General Manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah’s offseason manifesto about building a team “that could win any type of fight,” and, the Vikings hoped, surrounded J.J. McCarthy with enough proven talent that the 22-year-old quarterback wouldn’t have to display full mastery of the position in his first months as a starter for the team to win.

Nearly eight months after they started the plan, and seven games into a season that’s grated on their nerves, the Vikings face deep uncertainty and daunting future costs along both lines of scrimmage. 

They’ve used 10 different offensive linemen in seven games and still haven’t played a snap with their five preferred starters. They’ve given up at least two sacks in every game, and on Thursday night, the Chargers pressured Carson Wentz on 40.6% of his dropbacks despite blitzing him just 15.6% of the time.

As O’Connell grew concerned about the Vikings executing in the run game with right tackle Brian O’Neill out, as well as Christian Darrisaw and tight end Josh Oliver leaving because of injury, they handed off just 11 times for 34 yards against an opponent with the NFL’s fifth-worst run defense.

Hargrave, who played at least 67% of the Vikings’ defensive snaps in three of their first four games, hasn’t exceeded 50% since, as Redmond plays a larger role. Redmond, who had nine pressures Thursday, is now at 64.6% of the Vikings’ defensive snaps for the season, compared with 49.9% for Hargrave. Redmond also leads the team with three sacks; the two former Pro Bowlers have two each.

A team that began the season talking about a stifling defense and supportive front for McCarthy has had neither. After missing five games because of injury, the 22-year-old quarterback is set to return for a division matchup against the Lions at Ford Field, where the Vikings haven’t won since 2021, hoping for his first consistent full game as an NFL starter.

If it all seems concerning now, the Vikings are heading toward critical decisions along both lines of scrimmage this offseason.

They have more than $347 million of cap commitments for next year, meaning they could need to cut more than $30 million of space by next March just to be cap compliant. The Vikings could save money on restructures for players like T.J. Hockenson and Aaron Jones, but many of their decisions could hinge on those they added along the lines of scrimmage.

Hargrave has a $21.49 million cap number for next year, and the Vikings would save $11 million by releasing him. Releasing Kelly, who’s played just three games because of concussions this year, would mean a $7.89 million cap savings. Allen’s deal would have $17.33 million of dead money if the Vikings cut him, and the team would save only $4.28 million with a release, so he might have a stronger chance to stay. 

If the Vikings slide, though, and appear headed toward a larger roster reset in 2026, it’s hard to rule anything out.

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They remain in need of meaningful contributions from young players like Redmond, a UFL signee who has helped counteract a lack of production from draft picks. Dallas Turner, the edge rusher the Vikings traded up to draft 17th overall last year, is the most notable example. He’s already exceeded his snap count from his rookie year while Andrew Van Ginkel is out with a neck injury, but in 324 snaps this season, he’s registered only two sacks and 18 pressures, which is tied for 42nd among NFL edge rushers, according to Pro Football Focus.

The Vikings could have as many as 11 picks in next year’s draft, including four in the top 100, thanks to a third-round compensatory pick for Sam Darnold. They structured a series of August trades with the 2026 draft in view, trying to retain as much draft capital as possible, and could approach the upcoming trade deadline with the same factors in mind.

The 2026 draft appears to be a key opportunity for a front office that’s struggled to hit on draft picks under Adofo-Mensah. And with the Vikings’ age at certain positions (particularly on defense), as well as their salary cap situation for next year, the need for players who can contribute on rookie contracts is as high as ever.

They mostly sought upgrades in free agency this year, when they made just five draft picks in April, and they began the season with optimism about a feisty defense that made itself seen and heard in training camp practices.

Through seven games, though, the Vikings’ offensive line injuries have led to protection problems familiar to the ones they had last year, while a porous run defense and less potent pass rush are new problems on defense. To get it fixed, they’ll have to improve over a nasty 10-game schedule that resumes in Detroit next Sunday.

In their first seven games, the Vikings haven’t been able to win the kinds of fights they hoped their offseason investments would secure. Bloodied at SoFi Stadium on Thursday night, they headed into their mini-bye with unsolved issues that carry an expensive price tag.

The first seven games have revealed the difference between a plan on paper and results on the field.

Vikings General Manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah hit a jackpot with his free-agent class in 2024. His repeated draft failures forced him to lean on that methodology again in trying to improve the roster, yet splashy signings have not produced splashy performances. The personnel on the field Thursday looked old and slow, especially on defense.

Many of us fell into the age-old trap of focusing on a player’s past results in setting expectations, rather than acknowledging that a fountain of youth doesn’t exist in the NFL. Signing players on the wrong side of 30 with injury histories is always risky.

The Vikings were built upon the premise of being physical bullies in the trenches. Injuries and ineffectiveness have tossed that script into a fire pit.

Veterans Javon Hargrave and Jonathan Allen were signed to fortify the defensive line. Their impact has been minimal. Pro Football Focus ranks Hargrave 108th out of 136 defensive linemen in overall grade. Allen is 96th.

Center Ryan Kelly is sidelined after suffering two concussions in three weeks. Right guard Will Fries is ranked 42nd out of 83 guards by PFF.

The defense’s disappearance is most alarming because other than Andrew Van Ginkel, coordinator Brian Flores has had his full complement of personnel. Known for causing disruption with an array of disguises and pressures, the defense doesn’t appear to be fooling anyone, nor taking anything away.

They already have allowed two opponents to rush for 200 yards. Jalen Hurts and Justin Herbert shredded their pass defense in consecutive games, combining to complete 77% of their passes for 553 yards and six touchdowns.

Next up is what might be the NFL’s most explosive offense in Detroit Lions quarterback Jared Goff and collection of skill players.

What unfolded Thursday night at Los Angeles is the kind of loss that keeps coaches up at night. O’Connell, his staff and players have a lot to discuss, analyze and fix, assuming that last part is still possible.

The quarterback question should not even be a discussion at this point. J.J. McCarthy’s ankle should be healed enough for him to play. Get him back on the field and restart his development.

The Vikings don’t have an identity at this point. Not on offense or defense, something that is reliable regardless of circumstance. That is a jarring admission for a veteran team that was constructed to win now.

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#2
This article lays it out pretty clearly. If this plays out and the team tanks the rest of the season (certainly possible), how do you not make front office changes? Draft picks have been abysmal, pricey veteran free agents haven't panned out, our cap is not good moving forward, zero playoff wins, soo just what has our illustrious GM accomplished four years into his job besides swindling a contract extension out of the Wilfs? We are building a cellar dweller for years to come at our current pace. CUT THE DEAD WEIGHT! KAM DOESNT KNOW WHAT HE IS DOING AND NEVER HAS!
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#3
The article highlights the two obvious biggest issues with this team - Kwesi and Flores - not one team was going to hire Kwesi as their GM or Flores as their DC, we were the only one, that speaks volumes. Two decisions with absolutely no legit football related reasoning behind them, that will saddle this team for many years to come as neither are going anywhere. Not only has Flores been atrocious at game planning (there is none) and in game management, but I am sure he is the one behind a lot of the personnel moves such as signing Allen and Hargrave and not resigning Bynum, replacing him with Metullus and then shipping off Phillips.
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#4
Kwesi' Kitchen is definitely hotter these days.

I have to admit questioning BFlo's results for the first time in a while.  Always so hard for me to separate scheme vs execution. Maybe its both?

Can GINK alone make that much of a difference? What about GINK + Phillips + Bynum??? 

The offense has certainly not done the D any favors this season on top of it. 

Hindsight it so easy...sometimes
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#5
Flores only cooks with the ingredients Kwesi gives him. Hiw much input Flores actually has is unknown, but Kwesi is the ultimate decision maker and responsible for every player on the roster. I mean, did anybody not look at the construction of the defense and not see problems heading into the season, whether that was only having three corners on the roster, being severely undersized on the defensive line, or trading away a team captain and our best run defending lineman in Harrison Phillips? It's a flawed defense because of personnel and again, we are four years in here with Mensah, so it's not that he hasn't had the time or opportunity to get it right. It's because the drafts have been dog shit and because they have, they've had to pony up in free agency to fill those holes with bad contracts. Its a shit show and it all starts with the Wilfs hiring a guy with zero experience or football resume to call the shots. I blasted this hire when it happened, and it's played out as expected (at least to me).
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#6
Flores is a great coach and unless the defense just quits from here on out, I'll be pretty upset if Flores takes the fall for this mess at the end of the year.

The defense has been keeping us in games despite some total stinkers on offense and frankly not having nearly the amount of talent that we have on offense.

Does anyone know if Byron Murphy is alive by the way? Dude had like 10 picks last year and I feel like I never even see him on the field anymore.

Dallas Turner, IPJ, the two FA DTs-- Are the players underperforming or are they just not that good/washed?

I am still a KAM defender and for some reason still a believer in this team this year. But I put more of the team's issues on KAM than on KO or Flores by a longshot.
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#7
People keep pointing to these individual players as failures. Show of hands of those who thought Ryan Kelly wouldn't be an upgrade over Bradbury, Fries over Ingram, that Mason wasn't a good addition, that Hargrave and Allen weren't upgrades over Bullard and Tillery. 

The problem is universal and team wide. The Vikings are completely out of sync. Physically, mentally, emotionally. Injuries and schedule have just compounded that to the point where there's no continuity or rhythm at any position right now, let alone any kind of confidence or swagger. It's why even typically very good players like Christian Darrisaw and Jonathan Greenard are struggling just as much as everyone else. 

The only thing that can save us now is a players-only meeting. 

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(10-27-2025, 09:35 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: The only thing that can save us now is a players-only meeting. 

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Yes I laughed, hard.

I read that the spend this year is 344 million.  Definitely not getting their money's worth so far.
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(10-27-2025, 09:35 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: People keep pointing to these individual players as failures. Show of hands of those who thought Ryan Kelly wouldn't be an upgrade over Bradbury, Fries over Ingram, that Mason wasn't a good addition, that Hargrave and Allen weren't upgrades over Bullard and Tillery. 

The problem is universal and team wide. The Vikings are completely out of sync. Physically, mentally, emotionally. Injuries and schedule have just compounded that to the point where there's no continuity or rhythm at any position right now, let alone any kind of confidence or swagger. It's why even typically very good players like Christian Darrisaw and Jonathan Greenard are struggling just as much as everyone else. 

The only thing that can save us now is a players-only meeting. 

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Hey, dont knock the players only meeting. Hell, the Phins beat Birdies yesterday, and in their house!

 Back to Vikings, buck has to stop somewhere and there will be scapegoats if this is an 8 win (or worse) team...

Will it get swept under the rug as an injury plague? I'm not sure.
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(10-27-2025, 09:35 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: People keep pointing to these individual players as failures. Show of hands of those who thought Ryan Kelly wouldn't be an upgrade over Bradbury, Fries over Ingram, that Mason wasn't a good addition, that Hargrave and Allen weren't upgrades over Bullard and Tillery. 

The problem is universal and team wide. The Vikings are completely out of sync. Physically, mentally, emotionally. Injuries and schedule have just compounded that to the point where there's no continuity or rhythm at any position right now, let alone any kind of confidence or swagger. It's why even typically very good players like Christian Darrisaw and Jonathan Greenard are struggling just as much as everyone else. 

The only thing that can save us now is a players-only meeting. 

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Yes on paper they were upgrades, however on the other hand they were mostly older players who had missed significant time the last couple seasons due to injury. Kelly's concussion issues weren't a secret. Allen and Hargrave were both released by their former teams due to ineffectiveness and injury. That was the risk with these guys and they were signed to large contracts mostly because we've struck out in the draft so much that our only solution to fill roster holes was rolling the dice in free agency on name players past their prime. If this is the "competitive rebuild" according to plan, I want nothing to do with it. Teams are built through the draft, not spending big in free agency to fill roster holes
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