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(3 hours ago)medaille Wrote: The answer is clearly JJM. The answer is not the backup QB, who’s on his 6th team in 6 years. JJM has had 2 games. That’s not a reasonable amount of time to judge any QB, especially a first time starter in the NFL.
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I would rather win six games with JJ than 9 with Wentz.
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(4 hours ago)greediron Wrote: When I posted this question back after week 2, many thought I was nuts. No way JJ gets benched! But the premise was and still is this question, is he ready to lead the team on the field? The injury was legit, but it did give the coaches a chance to see the offense under Wentz.
I am in the camp of taking our lumps with JJ as well. I think he is the future, and if not, we need to find out. The bigger question is whether KOC has learned to adjust his offense to include the quick game? I think he has confidence in the run game now, but will he allow his QB to get on track with an early start to the quick passes? I think that is more of what JJ needs than to hold the clipboard.
Almost no rookie QB is ready to lead an NFL offense. There is no way to simulate a real game for them. They can’t get hit in practice. Their receivers can’t get in hit in practice. They only get to really practice against their own defense. The schemes they face in a real game, and the speed of the players on defense is so far beyond what they’ve encountered before. There is just no way to prepare them for what they will see. Even a guy like Jordan Love, who had 3 seasons to prepare, needed several games to start looking like a starter. IMO, you really need to dedicate some amount of games to the cause of developing your QB and just expect a chunk of those to be losses and hope the learning curve is quick.
We definitely need to keep the quick game!
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(3 hours ago)medaille Wrote: Almost no rookie QB is ready to lead an NFL offense. There is no way to simulate a real game for them. They can’t get hit in practice. Their receivers can’t get in hit in practice. They only get to really practice against their own defense. The schemes they face in a real game, and the speed of the players on defense is so far beyond what they’ve encountered before. There is just no way to prepare them for what they will see. Even a guy like Jordan Love, who had 3 seasons to prepare, needed several games to start looking like a starter. IMO, you really need to dedicate some amount of games to the cause of developing your QB and just expect a chunk of those to be losses and hope the learning curve is quick.
We definitely need to keep the quick game!
Agreed, but IMO what it did was expose the playcalling as the issue instead of pinning it on a young QB. The injury may work in JJ's favor if KOC has properly adjusted his playcalling.
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(4 hours ago)greediron Wrote: When I posted this question back after week 2, many thought I was nuts. No way JJ gets benched! But the premise was and still is this question, is he ready to lead the team on the field? The injury was legit, but it did give the coaches a chance to see the offense under Wentz.
I am in the camp of taking our lumps with JJ as well. I think he is the future, and if not, we need to find out. The bigger question is whether KOC has learned to adjust his offense to include the quick game? I think he has confidence in the run game now, but will he allow his QB to get on track with an early start to the quick passes? I think that is more of what JJ needs than to hold the clipboard.
Agree. Necessity is the mother of invention, right? Vikings were 4 OL down, which I don't think I've EVER seen, and so KOC was forced to install a quick game against one of the best pass rushes in the NFL. It worked. But I agree that maybe this should be a part of our regular offense moving forward. Take some of the stress off your offensive linemen, let the QB gain some confidence with some high-percentage stuff early, and then expand as you go. I always thought that was a part of every offensive strategy, but it sure hasn't been with KOC.
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(3 hours ago)MaroonBells Wrote: Agree. Necessity is the mother of invention, right? Vikings were 4 OL down, which I don't think I've EVER seen, and so KOC was forced to install a quick game against one of the best pass rushes in the NFL. It worked. But I agree that maybe this should be a part of our regular offense moving forward. Take some of the stress off your offensive linemen, let the QB gain some confidence with some high-percentage stuff early, and then expand as you go. I always thought that was a part of every offensive strategy, but it sure hasn't been with KOC.
it used to be we are going to wear them out by taking what they give us, then in the later part of the game we will dictate the style when their dogs are tired. get JJM back and get him on the move, designed roll outs to help slow the interior pass rush, our screen game hasnt looked the best lately but that needs to improve, once again to slow the pass rush, and our OL needs to get nasty in finishing their blocks in the run game, treat those DL andn LBS like their name is Garrett Bradbury!
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My initial thought with the next game being against the Eagles is that I would not want that to be his first game back and also like the idea of seeing Wentz go against his former team, however after the Eagles we have the Chargers and Harbaugh who is going to have his defense ready for JJ, then Detroit and Baltimore, so there is going to be no best idea game for him to come back. Not sure there could be a more challenging schedule for a first year QB. I have definitely been all in on JJ and agree we need to see what we have, but I think Wentz has done a good job and would continue to improve, so would not be overly disappointed if we stayed that route for now.
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Not sure its even a talker. It will be JJ
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Not sure its even a talker. It should and will be JJ
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(2 hours ago)Canthony Wrote: Not sure its even a talker. It will be JJ
The starter will definitely be JJ as soon as he has fully recovered. Team needs JJ to experience many live NFL games and prove his mettle. Will he be the future? Time will tell. IMO, Wentz likely wins more regular season games this year than JJ but he (Wentz) is not the expected future QB of this team. Thus, we ride with JJ, hopefully it's a good ride!
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