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Stick with Wentz or back to JJM?
#1
It'll be a talker for the next few weeks, like it or not...

I'm in the camp of JJM and dont see this as a real issue to decide. 

I say lets see what we got in JJ and hopefully he is 100% post bye...

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LONDON – The Vikings enter the bye week with three fascinating quarterbacks and a fascinating quandary. At least, that’s what it looks like from the outside.

But there is a reason the Vikings’ decisionmaking in this instance is easy to predict and inherently logical, even if their likely decision won’t necessarily be immediately popular with their fan base.

First, let’s take a realistic look at their current three quarterbacks.

Carson Wentz
He orchestrated a remarkable game-winning drive on Sunday in London. He is 2-1 as a starter, and his loss occurred in a game that was lost as much because of poor offensive line play and an inability to stop the Steelers’ previously mediocre offense as it was because of Wentz’s play.
Give him high grades for being a quality backup, a tough human and an admirable competitor.

J.J. McCarthy
He’s played eight NFL quarters. He has played well in one of them. He remains an awkward match for a veteran roster trying to win big this season. He is also a top-10 draft pick with obvious talent and a championship pedigree.

Max Brosmer
Is he this year’s version of Gino Torretta? Remember Gino Torretta? The Vikings spent a seventh-round draft pick on him in 1993. He won two national titles at Miami and is a member of the college football Hall of Fame, and he looked like the Vikings’ best quarterback during the 1993 preseason. He would throw a total of five passes, completing one, in NFL regular-season games.

Give Brosmer this: He looks like an NFL quarterback when he’s standing on the sideline. He’s a big, strong guy with arm talent who has demonstrated composure when given a chance to play.

If fans were running the Vikings, they might be tempted to stick with Wentz, who is probably better equipped to play behind a mangled offensive line at this point in his career than either of the youngsters.

And there will be many who admired Brosmer’s play for the Gophers and in this preseason, and will want him to get a shot.

This is where a reminder is in order.

If all the Vikings wanted at their quarterback position was efficient passing (which Brosmer might provide), they would have kept Kirk Cousins. If all the Vikings wanted at their quarterback position was a veteran who could run their offense, they would have kept Sam Darnold.

They cut Cousins and Darnold loose because their goal is to win a Super Bowl, and they believe the best way to achieve that goal is to develop a talented youngster who will be around and affordable for years.


That’s McCarthy.

McCarthy has a high ankle sprain. He may not be fully ready to play coming out of the bye, and it would be foolish to play him until he is healthy and playing behind a relatively healthy offensive line.

But he is the Vikings’ quarterback.

You don’t draft someone with a top-10 pick, then give up on him because he looked overmatched in one game. He’s the Vikings most athletic quarterback, and he has already shown the ability to rally a team to victory on the road under difficult circumstances.

McCarthy should return when he’s ready, regardless of how Wentz plays or Brosmer looks when we get a glimpse of him.

Consider this: McCarthy played 40 games at Michigan and won a national title while playing for Jim Harbaugh, one of the world’s best quarterback coaches.

Then he spent a year studying Kevin O’Connell’s offense from the sideline while injured.

If he looked unready to take on the massive responsibilities of an NFL starting quarterback at the beginning of his second season, how could Brosmer, who played one year of major college football, at Minnesota, be ready?

Probably the best way to look at this “competition” is this: None of these three are going to win a Super Bowl this year.

So this year should be about developing McCarthy, while hoping he can also win games. Wentz has played admirably and Brosmer is intriguing, but McCarthy is the future, and nothing that has happened this season has changed that.

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#2
For me its 100% McCarthy for obvious reasons mentioned ad nauseam. This isn't a Superbowl team. Wentz has performed adequately and he's been a very good QB2, I'm happy the guy is enjoying this gig so much being a former Viking's fan. But as soon as JJM is healthy enough for KOC's taste, lets saddle up and give him the essential reps. Wentz has only so much in the tank, he's an old 32 years old. Minnesota is his 5th team in as many years. Nobody is investing in Carson Wentz stock as a starter and neither should Minnesota. Its only fodder for the engagement Twitter fanboys.
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#3
if JJM is back at practice, which he was reported to have been this last week, then he should be presumed to be healthy enough to go in 2 weeks. right now IMO the assumption is he will be starting against the iggles.
Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?
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#4
Wentz if you want to win a few extra games maybe make the playoffs and ultimately go no where and make players happier.

JJ if you want to figure out if he is the future or not.

Answer JJ (don't like it) take your lumps and see what you have. If experiment fails start over next year
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We gotta give the team back to JJ. Not just to find out what we have, but because I believe he has a higher upside than Wentz. Wentz is good enough to win us 8 games. We just don't really know yet what McCarthy is capable of. We have to remember, he did what he did (and didn't do) with a sieve at left tackle. When he got time, he flashed. I want to see if he can start stitching some of those flashes together with a healthy offensive line in front of him.
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(6 hours ago)MaroonBells Wrote: We gotta give the team back to JJ. Not just to find out what we have, but because I believe he has a higher upside than Wentz. Wentz is good enough to win us 8 games. We just don't really know yet what McCarthy is capable of. We have to remember, he did what he did (and didn't do) with a sieve at left tackle. When he got time, he flashed. I want to see if he can start stitching some of those flashes together with a healthy offensive line in front of him.

^^^

I'll have to settle for healthier this year...I dont know what we can realistically expect from Kelly anymore?
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When I posted this question back after week 2, many thought I was nuts. No way JJ gets benched! But the premise was and still is this question, is he ready to lead the team on the field? The injury was legit, but it did give the coaches a chance to see the offense under Wentz.

I am in the camp of taking our lumps with JJ as well. I think he is the future, and if not, we need to find out. The bigger question is whether KOC has learned to adjust his offense to include the quick game? I think he has confidence in the run game now, but will he allow his QB to get on track with an early start to the quick passes? I think that is more of what JJ needs than to hold the clipboard.
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(6 hours ago)purplefaithful Wrote: ^^^

I'll have to settle for healthier this year...I dont know what we can realistically expect from Kelly anymore?

I think the decision to go on IR and miss 4 games means he's taking a good, long break, but fully intending to return. I think if he were going to retire, he would've retired last week. 

I was reading about concussions the other day and, supposedly, your brain is significantly more vulnerable to concussion shortly after another one. IOW, it's not just a random thing. So I think he just wants to rest his brain a bit and see what happens.
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(6 hours ago)MaroonBells Wrote: I was reading about concussions the other day and, supposedly, your brain is significantly more vulnerable to concussion shortly after another one. IOW, it's not just a random thing. So I think he just wants to rest his brain a bit and see what happens.

Yep, you see it with boxers and MMA fighters. Chuck Liddell, Rhonda Rousey, etc. who had great careers in that sport just couldn't stay in bouts longer than a few minutes at the end of their careers because any punch of force to the head gave them a concussion. Knocked them out. Not even that hard of hits. Liddell was a striker and he got knocked out SO many times the last 6-7 bouts he was in, sad really. 

I'd be shocked if Ryan Kelly didn't retire after this year.
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#10
The answer is clearly JJM. The answer is not the backup QB, who’s on his 6th team in 6 years. JJM has had 2 games. That’s not a reasonable amount of time to judge any QB, especially a first time starter in the NFL. I have a hard time taking this question seriously, because if the Vikings actually followed the strategy of devoting a ton of resources to getting a rookie QB and then shitcanning them after their first 2 games, I need to GTFO of being a fan of the team.
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