OT: On This We Agree

[JustInTime]

A few gun deaths a year is the price we pay for the second amendment.

I think the best way we can honor Charlie Kirk is to not give a fuck over his death. After all, empathy is a made up, woke word.

If you don’t like being called a fascist, maybe don’t vote for people who construct concentration camps, vilify minorities and women, and send the national guard to occupy our nation’s capitol. 

It would probably also be wise as a Christian not to support pedophiles. I’m thinking judgement day is going to be really uncomfortable for a lot of you “Christians”

Sorry to put this here, but as I’ve been denied access to the proper forum, this remains my only option.

P. S

Man, did I nail down a lot of the rookies in this class!

[StickierBuns]

JMO, not the time or place for this. We know how political viewpoints go here, its not a discussion it just turns into name-calling. Nothing is gained, no minds will be changed. I've got my opinion, another poster has theirs and others have theirs and so it goes. I'm certain we all know each other's proclivities when it comes to the political spectrum. A tragedy is still a tragedy regardless. Plenty of other places to vent on this topic rather than here.

This place is our escape from the realities of life, lets keep it as such. JMO.

[JustInTime]

Not the time or place? I’ve heard that before. Typically after a school has been shot up. 

Like the orange shitstain said previously, we have to move passed this, amirite?

I’m good with one less fascist in the world. Hopefully more to come. Anything to distract from the Epstein files.

[badgervike]

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[Waterboy]

A few gun deaths a year is the price we pay for the second amendment.

I think the best way we can honor Charlie Kirk is to not give a fuck over his death. After all, empathy is a made up, woke word.

If you don’t like being called a fascist, maybe don’t vote for people who construct concentration camps, vilify minorities and women, and send the national guard to occupy our nation’s capitol. 

It would probably also be wise as a Christian not to support pedophiles. I’m thinking judgement day is going to be really uncomfortable for a lot of you “Christians”

Sorry to put this here, but as I’ve been denied access to the proper forum, this remains my only option.

P. S

Man, did I nail down a lot of the rookies in this class!

Might as well show completely what you’re all about dude.  Loathsome, ridiculous, and 100% the kind of individual that has led us to this point.  All I can do is pray for your soul as it is truly lost. Just know that it's pity, not anger you're getting from people who actually have their shit together and realize how horrific the deaths of all innocent people are, not just the ones that fit their narrative. So many damaged people are out there in need of help. Those justifying this assassination need to move to the front of the line because they'll be the ones facilitating the next ones.

[purplefaithful]

The temp has to be turned down in this country politically, or this will simply continue.

I dont care who's sleeping in the white house, this has to start at the top of the political world with Potus. Then the Speaker, The whip, The Governors and others in both parties need to echo the sentiment and fall in line like good soldiers.

How many more Kirks and Hortmans need to be gunned down and families left to visit graves?

Wherever you are on the political spectrum, this should be what we demand of elected leaders now more than ever.

Are you going to hold your breath about it? Or hold those "in charge" accountable to change the narrative in the country?

[Waterboy]

The temp has to be turned down in this country politically, or this will simply continue.

I dont care who's sleeping in the white house, this has to start at the top of the political world with Potus. Then the Speaker, The whip, The Governors and others in both parties need to echo the sentiment and fall in line like good soldiers.

How many more Kirks and Hortmans need to be gunned down and families left to visit graves?

Wherever you are on the political spectrum, this should be what we demand of elected leaders now more than ever.

Are you going to hold your breath about it? Or hold those "in charge" accountable to change the narrative in the country?

As I’ve said, my firm belief is that the violent rhetoric stems from the leadership on one side, not the other.  Does Trump call Rosie fat and Joe sleepy and incompetent? Yes.  That’s far different than labeling Trump and all of his supporters as fascists and nazis. There is no justification to kill fat or lazy people coming out of Trumps words. There’s no justification whatsoever.  Is it childish or mean at times? Yes. Is it dangerous in and of itself?  No.  

When we move to fascism, nazis, and concentration camp rhetoric, that’s a whole different thing and far more destructive. It’s an asinine take that legitimizes killing people. When Donald Trump and now Charlie Kirk become Hitler, loons start to believe they are justified in taking them out.  

I have personally decided to do my part in remaining rational and calm, but in no way is it an admission that this a “shared equally” problem.  This is a problem with people that truly believe their virtues and beliefs no matter how crazy they are, legitimize violence.  If you read some of the logic of people who post on here, it’s downright disgusting. While I can’t help but dislike them, I pray to God to grant me
Patience and better understanding so that I can help others not be victim to their insane beliefs and anger / violence for those that don’t agree with them.

[mblack]

The temp has to be turned down in this country politically, or this will simply continue.

I dont care who's sleeping in the white house, this has to start at the top of the political world with Potus. Then the Speaker, The whip, The Governors and others in both parties need to echo the sentiment and fall in line like good soldiers.

How many more Kirks and Hortmans need to be gunned down and families left to visit graves?

Wherever you are on the political spectrum, this should be what we demand of elected leaders now more than ever.

Are you going to hold your breath about it? Or hold those "in charge" accountable to change the narrative in the country?

Am I sure we know what/who caused the temp to skyrocket. It is not like some have not been saying this is where we will end. I for one am not surprised.
Anyway,

• The fact that someone was killed because of his views is utterly disgraceful and unacceptable
  
• The fact that someone spent the greater part of his adult life and podium promoting hate and extremism in the community was disgraceful.
  

If we can't agree that both of the statements above can be true and are true then this is a pointless discussion.

The question I have is, what made one person get so frustrated/angry to take another man's life? Can we at least start there?
Saying this is not the time or place is just an easy copout from the real issues.

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As I’ve said, my firm belief is that the violent rhetoric stems from the leadership on one side, not the other.  Does Trump call Rosie fat and Joe sleepy and incompetent? Yes.  That’s far different than labeling Trump and all of his supporters as fascists and nazis. There is no justification to kill fat or lazy people coming out of Trumps words. There’s no justification whatsoever.  Is it childish or mean at times? Yes. Is it dangerous in and of itself?  No.  

When we move to fascism, nazis, and concentration camp rhetoric, that’s a whole different thing and far more destructive. It’s an asinine take that legitimizes killing people. When Donald Trump and now Charlie Kirk become Hitler, loons start to believe they are justified in taking them out.  

I have personally decided to do my part but in no way is it an admission that this a “shared equally” problem.  This is a problem with people that truly believe their virtues and beliefs no matter how crazy they are, condone violence.

Nice example you chose there. I am sure that is all he says to people. 
If someone says things that remind others, closely resemble, or associate themselves with people that admire racist, fascists and fans of hate speech then they should not be surprised when they are associated with such people or labelled as such. Anyway keep rationalizing.

[Waterboy]

Am I sure we know what/who caused the temp to skyrocket. It is not like some have not been saying this is where we will end. I for one am not surprised.
Anyway,

• The fact that someone was killed because of his views is utterly disgraceful and unacceptable
  
• The fact that someone spent the greater part of his adult life and podium promoting hate and extremism in the community was disgraceful.
  

If we can't agree that both of the statements above can be true and are true then this is a pointless discussion.

The question I have is, what made one person get so frustrated/angry to take another man's life? Can we at least start there?
Saying this is not the time or place is just an easy copout from the real issues.

How in the hell can anyone say that he preached hate.  He tried to save all human life from destruction and mutilation of five year old children. That’s not hate, it’s love and it’s perverted to try to twist that message.  Charlie didn’t hate women who chose abortion. He tried to dissuade them from making a decision that forfeited another human life.  He expressed love  for those that made bad decisions in the past. Your post simply continues and rationalizes a totally false narrative.

[badgervike]

The temp has to be turned down in this country politically, or this will simply continue.

I dont care who's sleeping in the white house, this has to start at the top of the political world with Potus. Then the Speaker, The whip, The Governors and others in both parties need to echo the sentiment and fall in line like good soldiers.

How many more Kirks and Hortmans need to be gunned down and families left to visit graves?

Wherever you are on the political spectrum, this should be what we demand of elected leaders now more than ever.

Are you going to hold your breath about it? Or hold those "in charge" accountable to change the narrative in the country?

C'mon PF.  You're better than this.  The vast majority of the people you listed...are Republicans.  So...it's really Republicans that need to learn to STFU...nobody needs their Nazi takes anyway.  Charlie Kirk's biggest claim to fame was to go out and have honest and respectful discussions with those that disagreed with him.  Guess we shouldn't encourage people actually sitting down and discussing these things.  Best we live in our own echo chambers.  You basically agree with the Matthew Dowd take on MSNBC in blaming the rhetoric...on the Right..who even inferred the shooting could have been from a supporter..

"Yeah. And again, I emphasize what you just emphasized, we don’t know any full details of this. We don’t know if this was a supporter shooting their gun off in celebration, so we have no idea about this. But following up with what was just said, he’s been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this, who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate speech, or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts, lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.

And I think that’s the environment we’re in, that people just-, you can’t stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have, and then saying these awful words, and then not expect awful actions to take place. And that’s the unfortunate environment we are in."

Look at how this thread started.  We had the standard concentration camp Nazi reference.  Can't go anywhere these days without that.  The big ovens at Alligator Alley must be on backorder.  We then moved to the pedophile Epstein nonsense,  The information had been available to the Biden Administration basically the whole time.  I wonder how twisted you have to be to not believe that if there was incriminating information on Trump involving underage girls...that it wouldn't have come out prior to the election.  That's just stupid to claim they had the get out of jail free card to win the election...and didn't use it. It's just the new Russia, Russia, Russia thing with a twist.

I didn't leave the Democratic party...it left me.  I'm still not a Republican but honestly after stuff like this it make me wonder why I remain an independent.