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StickierBuns · Yesterday, 05:53 PM

Wow. This is a scathing indictment on Caleb Williams. What an article by Tyler Dunne, yikes:

https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysf...he-curious

purplefaithful · (This post was last modified: Yesterday, 06:22 PM by purplefaithful.)

You know if you pick stuff up as a fan on game-day, its even worse the rest of the week at team HQ.

It was the case in Zimsu's last season or 2 and it sure was the case with Eberflus last year.

Look, I'm not excusing Caleb at all. But if I am a Bears fan? I am hoping (praying) to god that Johnson can right whats wrong with the QB and that entire locker room.

They got no other choice.

JR44 · Yesterday, 07:25 PM

Jayden Daniels - 69% completion, 3,568 yards, 25 TDs, 9 iNTs
Caleb Williams - 63% completion, 3,541 yards, 20 TDs, 6 INTs

Consider Daniels played for a playoff team that was very well coached and a lot of playmakers on offense, while Williams played for a team that was a complete disaster with horrible coaching. I honestly, don't get what this kid did to get all the harsh criticism and hack writers like this trying to make name for themselves by spewing a lot of garbage. Kid looked very good against us and almost brought them back from a large deficit. Not rooting for the Bears obviously, but rooting for him to shut a lot of people up.

MAD GAINZ · Yesterday, 10:32 PM

(Yesterday, 07:25 PM)JR44 Wrote: Jayden Daniels - 69% completion, 3,568 yards, 25 TDs, 9 iNTs
Caleb Williams - 63% completion, 3,541 yards, 20 TDs, 6 INTs

Consider Daniels played for a playoff team that was very well coached and a lot of playmakers on offense, while Williams played for a team that was a complete disaster with horrible coaching. I honestly, don't get what this kid did to get all the harsh criticism and hack writers like this trying to make name for themselves by spewing a lot of garbage. Kid looked very good against us and almost brought them back from a large deficit. Not rooting for the Bears obviously, but rooting for him to shut a lot of people up.

Caleb Williams had 100 more pass attempts than Daniels and still threw less TDs. Jayden also ran for almost 900 yards and 6TDs. Caleb took 68 sacks or something ridiculous.

If you watched them both, the difference couldn't be more clear who was playing like a legit NFL QB.

StickierBuns

(Yesterday, 07:25 PM)JR44 Wrote: Jayden Daniels - 69% completion, 3,568 yards, 25 TDs, 9 iNTs
Caleb Williams - 63% completion, 3,541 yards, 20 TDs, 6 INTs

Consider Daniels played for a playoff team that was very well coached and a lot of playmakers on offense, while Williams played for a team that was a complete disaster with horrible coaching. I honestly, don't get what this kid did to get all the harsh criticism and hack writers like this trying to make name for themselves by spewing a lot of garbage. Kid looked very good against us and almost brought them back from a large deficit. Not rooting for the Bears obviously, but rooting for him to shut a lot of people up.

Two very different players, the stats don't come close to telling the story. The sacks he took are really something to watch, almost unprecedented in how many were directly his fault by holding onto the ball forever. He'll have this season to change the bust narrative...he's got a better team around him.

MAD GAINZ · 5 hours ago

(9 hours ago)StickierBuns Wrote: Two very different players, the stats don't come close to telling the story. The sacks he took are really something to watch, almost unprecedented in how many were directly his fault by holding onto the ball forever. He'll have this season to change the bust narrative...he's got a better team around him.

I think I read he was at fault for at least 17 of the 68 sacks he took... and his pressure to sack rate (meaning the percentage of times you were sacked after being pressured) led the league.

I saw some comparisons to Kyler Murray pre-draft. Didn't see it at the time because I did like him as a prospect, but they are eerily similar in play style, attitude/persona, and both have a lot to prove as #1 picks.

purplefaithful · 4 hours ago

Murray and Caleb are good compares...

Neither have lived up to their billing yet.

JR44 · 3 hours ago

(Yesterday, 10:32 PM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: Caleb Williams had 100 more pass attempts than Daniels and still threw less TDs. Jayden also ran for almost 900 yards and 6TDs. Caleb took 68 sacks or something ridiculous.

If you watched them both, the difference couldn't be more clear who was playing like a legit NFL QB.

You missed the entire point of my post, I was not saying their stats were similar, but that in comparison to the support that Williams got to what Daniels had, Williams had a pretty good season. If you put Daniels in that disaster at Chicago do you think he has the same stats and visa versa?

This writer is known for writing hit pieces with sources he never backs up, did one on the Bills McDermott that he got crushed for. If Williams gets the right support around him, he is going to disappoint a lot of people who are rooting for him to fail.

StickierBuns · 3 hours ago

(3 hours ago)JR44 Wrote: If Williams gets the right support around him, he is going to disappoint a lot of people who are rooting for him to fail.

For me, I'm rooting against him because he's the QB of a divisional foe. That's like being a Jordan Love or Goff fan. Why? He's just a kid and he's somebody's son, but from a Viking's fan perspective, I'm not inclined to root for him to succeed as QB of the Chicago Bears. There's 100s of good kids around the NFL I'm not rooting for, lol. The rest of why some people might be rooting against him doesn't really concern me....and doesn't concern Caleb either.

MaroonBells

(3 hours ago)JR44 Wrote: You missed the entire point of my post, I was not saying their stats were similar, but that in comparison to the support that Williams got to what Daniels had, Williams had a pretty good season. If you put Daniels in that disaster at Chicago do you think he has the same stats and visa versa?

This writer is known for writing hit pieces with sources he never backs up, did one on the Bills McDermott that he got crushed for. If Williams gets the right support around him, he is going to disappoint a lot of people who are rooting for him to fail.

FWIW, I think Tyler Dunne is a helluva writer. Hit piece? I think it can be interpreted that way by some. But is it true? Probably.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't have anything against Williams. Nail polish? Who gives a shit. Where I get interested is how his selection as the #1 overall pick—and really considered by many to be one of the best prospects in a long time—what does that say about how NFL teams scout, draft and then develop QBs? What can be learned from that?

I'm also interested in the buzz this piece is getting and how it's going to impact the mood in Chicago. Part II was released today. Part III is coming. I mean, we've said it all summer. This game is HUGE for the Bears, especially Caleb. And facing Flores? Oh my. I do not envy CW if the crowd in Chicago, armed with some alarming facts in his article, turn on him.

Of course he could come out and kick our ass too, so...