MN Legislator Murdered

[purplefaithful]

If you are saying that Clinton democrats,   let alone Kennedy democrats, are no longer represented by the democrat party.. I will agree with that.  There's a far cry between liberals from the 90s and liberals today.  

I wont try and make broad sweeping associations though simply because someone still finds a stronger association to one side vs the other simply because of the information they have on the bull shit from either side.

That would be like saying the Bush and Reagan Republicans are represented today by team red. It's not true anymore.

Problem is the biggest microphones for both parties tends to be more fringe (MTG, AOC etc.)

Not the sane "middle" which is where I still believe where most Americans are at politically and culturally. Nixon referred to them as the silent majority. 

Everyone spends too much time in their own echo chambers, where they are most comfortable

Media is evil.

[Waterboy]

That would be like saying the Bush and Reagan Republicans are represented today by team red. It's not true anymore.

Problem is the biggest microphones for both parties tends to be more fringe (MTG, AOC etc.)

Not the sane "middle" which is where I still believe where most Americans are at politically and culturally. Nixon referred to them as the silent majority. 

Everyone spends too much time in their own  echo chambers, where they are most comfortable

Media is evil.

I honestly disagree.  The left has lurched far left while the right has also moved to the left on their positions on war, the border, gay marriage, unions, free speech, and the environment.  Trump while very vocal is also pretty moderate politically.  I think a party standing in lock step on numerous 20-80 issues is simply out of touch and acting irrationally. Sure, we have our MTG, but they are much fewer and far in between.  The entire democrat party has been hi-jacked by far left ideology.  You have communists now running and winning primaries.  Bernie would have been your presidential candidate in a fair election in 2016.  This is not a party moving towards the middle in any way.   In all of the examples above, for war Democrats have become more Hawkish than Republicans in many cases.  The border situation has democratic leadership supporting physically attacking ICE and paying illegals american tax dollars.  Gay marriage has moved to protests about men playing in women's sports and DEI programs that discriminate openly against white males.  Unions outside of public unions now split their support due in part to Trump's tariff policies.  For the environment, clean air and water standards are higher than anywhere in the world and were before Biden ever took office.  For Free Speech, Biden and Team were policing every social and mainstream media outlet not only Covid, but in any message that disagreed with their beliefs.  It was nearly lost forever.

It's so easy to just say it's both sides.  At this point in history, it's about one side that has totally lost their minds and needs to regroup and come back into the world of reality.  Mayor Pete has now lost the pronouns as have AOC and others.  Perhaps there's some hope on the horizon, but this mess is going to take some time to clean up if you're on the liberal side of the aisle.

[JimmyinSD]

That would be like saying the Bush and Reagan Republicans are represented today by team red. It's not true anymore.

Problem is the biggest microphones for both parties tends to be more fringe (MTG, AOC etc.)

Not the sane "middle" which is where I still believe where most Americans are at politically and culturally. Nixon referred to them as the silent majority. 

Everyone spends too much time in their own  echo chambers, where they are most comfortable

Media is evil.

oh I agree, I see the R party now being much closer to the Kennedy Dems of my youth and even the Clinton Dems of my early adult years, I find it confusing though when people say they used to be a R, but now have become a D.  I am not sure how a person goes from being a Reagan era conservative,  and then leap frogs the liberal changes that have come to the R party to find themselves aligning with how far left the D party has moved in the last couple decades.

[Waterboy]

oh I agree, I see the R party now being much closer to the Kennedy Dems of my youth and even the Clinton Dems of my early adult years, I find it confusing though when people say they used to be a R, but now have become a D.  I am not sure how a person goes from being a Reagan era conservative,  and then leap frogs the liberal changes that have come to the R party to find themselves aligning with how far left the D party has moved in the last couple decades.

I think a lot of those R's that became D's are actually the loons we had.  Liz Cheney said she proudly voted for Kamala Harris.  That's just instability and TDS personified.  A person like that cannot possibly move to being a democrat ideologically.  The truth is they lost a home in the Republican party and out of pure spite landed with the D's.  Being an independent would be a better albeit sure loser spot.  Trump has centered the party enough that I don't think Independents are a huge threat right now to Republicans.  They were in the old days of John Anderson and Ross Perot.

[purplefaithful]

Vance Boelter’s letter to the FBI about his alleged shootings of Minnesota lawmakers reveals grandiose beliefs about his importance in the world and suggests a delusional disorder, according to a former clinical director of the Minnesota Security Hospital.

Dr. Michael Farnsworth stressed that he didn’t know enough about Boelter from one letter to make a clinical diagnosis, but that the writing reminded him “of many letters of patients that I’ve evaluated over the years that were at the security hospital” in St. Peter.

Farnsworth suspects attorneys will seek a psychiatric evaluation and try to use its conclusions in their criminal defense of Boelter, who is accused of killing Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, and shooting Sen. John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette. Boelter reportedly plans to plead not guilty.

“The whole letter smacks to me of a guy that’s got mixed delusions with grandiose and persecutory beliefs,” said Farnsworth, a forensic psychiatrist who consults with several mental health agencies in south-central Minnesota.

A copy of Boelter’s handwritten letter was contained in a federal search warrant unsealed Tuesday and made publicly available. The letter appears to claim that he was targeting two unnamed state lawmakers because they were part of a conspiracy by Gov. Tim Walz to pressure Boelter into murdering Minnesota’s two U.S. senators to advance the governor’s political career.

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