MN Legislator Murdered

[Waterboy]

I dont prey on the weak, the sick, and the dying.  and I have a feeling that you are likely more wrong than you will ever be able to know.  Your issue is the more you defend him,  the higher his pedestal seems to get for you.  drug cartel leaders, gangsters, and all kinds of despicable people throughout history have had people that loved them,  and they made a habit out of doing some good,  but that didnt erase the fact that their businesses destroyed many many more lives than those benefitting from their "good deeds".  Not to mention,  how many of the wealthy folks good deeds are truly out of generosity and are not driven by tax benefits?

Look,  I dont want to run down your memory of the man,  but you need to step back and look at it from the perspective of others just as you want them to do when condemn their view points.  most all have conceded at times that he wasnt a monster,  and most all have said his murder wasnt justified by his actions,  but I dont think you will find many outside your circle that will label him as an innocent victim.

I don’t have any false conceptions of the guy.  I don’t believe he was a saint, but he was also far from evil.  Evil is a person that would shoot a person in the back that he doesn’t know and hasn’t been convicted of anything.  It’s quite possible that he was in a situation where he had to bring about pragmatic change to make things better.  You have no clue nor do I.   And now kinda like the Trump Facist comparisons, you’re giving me comparisons to drug cartel leaders and gangsters.  Whatever, we won’t ever agree on this one, but remember you’re doing this when just threatened to ban me for making a comparison to people who also cut off health care for 1000s.  Maybe a stretch, but not as big of one as the stretches you’ve been making to try to validate your stance.  Just my opinion that I think has been communicated honestly and openly with a lot of supporting points.  If you want to ban that type of discussion, have at it.

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I dont prey on the weak, the sick, and the dying.  and I have a feeling that you are likely more wrong than you will ever be able to know.  Your issue is the more you defend him,  the higher his pedestal seems to get for you.  drug cartel leaders, gangsters, and all kinds of despicable people throughout history have had people that loved them,  and they made a habit out of doing some good,  but that didnt erase the fact that their businesses destroyed many many more lives than those benefitting from their "good deeds".  Not to mention,  how many of the wealthy folks good deeds are truly out of generosity and are not driven by tax benefits?

Look,  I dont want to run down your memory of the man,  but you need to step back and look at it from the perspective of others just as you want them to do when condemn their view points.  most all have conceded at times that he wasnt a monster,  and most all have said his murder wasnt justified by his actions,  but I dont think you will find many outside your circle that will label him as an innocent victim.

I don’t have any false conceptions of the guy.  I don’t believe he was a saint, but he was also far from evil.  Evil is a person that would shoot a person in the back that he doesn’t know and hasn’t been convicted of anything.  It’s quite possible that he was in a situation where he had to bring about pragmatic change to make things better.  You have no clue nor do I.   And now kinda like the Trump Facist comparisons, you’re giving me comparisons to drug cartel leaders and gangsters.  Whatever, we won’t ever agree on this one, but remember you’re doing this when just threatened to ban me for making a comparison to people who also cut off health care for 1000s.  Maybe a stretch, but not as big of one as the stretches you’ve been making to try to validate your stance.  Just my opinion that I think has been communicated honestly and openly with a lot of supporting points.  If you want to ban that type of discussion, have at it.

[AGRforever]

Pathetic in every way.  You’re trying to show support for the action while avoiding any accountability for holding deranged and dangerous views.

I hope you held a candlelight vigil for George Floyd.

[JimmyinSD]

I don’t have any false conceptions of the guy.  I don’t believe he was a saint, but he was also far from evil.  Evil is a person that would shoot a person in the back that he doesn’t know and hasn’t been convicted of anything.  It’s quite possible that he was in a situation where he had to bring about pragmatic change to make things better.  You have no clue nor do I.   And now kinda like the Trump Facist comparisons, you’re giving me comparisons to drug cartel leaders and gangsters.  Whatever, we won’t ever agree on this one, but remember you’re doing this when just threatened to ban me for making a comparison to people who also cut off health care for 1000s.  Maybe a stretch, but not as big of one as the stretches you’ve been making to try to validate your stance.  Just my opinion that I think has been communicated honestly and openly with a lot of supporting points.  If you want to ban that type of discussion, have at it.

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I don’t have any false conceptions of the guy.  I don’t believe he was a saint, but he was also far from evil.  Evil is a person that would shoot a person in the back that he doesn’t know and hasn’t been convicted of anything.  It’s quite possible that he was in a situation where he had to bring about pragmatic change to make things better.  You have no clue nor do I.   And now kinda like the Trump Facist comparisons, you’re giving me comparisons to drug cartel leaders and gangsters.  Whatever, we won’t ever agree on this one, but remember you’re doing this when just threatened to ban me for making a comparison to people who also cut off health care for 1000s.  Maybe a stretch, but not as big of one as the stretches you’ve been making to try to validate your stance.  Just my opinion that I think has been communicated honestly and openly with a lot of supporting points.  If you want to ban that type of discussion, have at it.

The only threats of banishment come from uncivilized posting behavior towards others...not you positions.

[Waterboy]

I hope you held a candlelight vigil for George 

I think if I were you, I’d post a lot less on topics that require critical thought and comprehension.  You seem to want to be a comedian, but your material isn't funny or insightful. You've already posted enough material to show that you have a somewhat scary way of looking at the world.

[purplefaithful]

In hindsight, the New Hope cop who stopped Boelter in the street (in his "make shift" LEO mobile) missed an opportunity to potentially end this even earlier.

The Brooklyn Park Sergeant was exemplary in his decision making to send people to the Hortmans on a welfare check. They damn near got there in time to save everyone in that house (including Gilbert the Retriever). 

Sadly, wasn't meant to be.

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As Champlin and Brooklyn Park police officers arrived at the Hoffmans, they quickly spread the word that the suspect was “in a cop car, dressed as a cop.”

Brooklyn Park Police Chief Mark Bruley took over as the incident commander on the scene and coordinated law enforcement actions as the search for a suspect began.

Looking back on the early moments of the investigation, Bruley said Tuesday that, “This entire thing has been chaotic, but it was a very chaotic first two hours.”

In that chaos, Boelter was on the move again.

His GPS took him from Maple Grove to the home of Sen. Ann Rest in New Hope. He circled back the way he came, heading farther south on Hwy. 169. It was approximately 5 miles and 9 minutes away. At 2:36 a.m., 12 minutes after Boelter knocked on the door in Maple Grove, a New Hope police officer came upon him near Rest’s home.

The officer was performing a wellness check on the politician. It is unclear how that check came to be and if other law enforcement agencies were already aware that Boelter was targeting state politicians.

New Hope Police Chief Tim Hoyt said in a statement that the officer “self-dispatched” to the house as details of the search “were still rapidly developing and information about the suspect and vehicle was still being determined.”

State and federal investigators have said in recent days that when the officer approached the SUV, Boelter was sitting in the driver’s seat staring straight ahead and did not respond to questions from the officer. Acting U.S. Attorney Joe Thompson said Monday that Boelter was likely wearing a silicone face mask at the time.

Drew Evans, superintendent of the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, said at a news conference Monday that, “I don’t know the specifics of the question, but what I will tell you is Hennepin County law enforcement working together knew” it was a political shooting “and some of them did proactive” investigations.

The New Hope officer, not realizing they had just encountered the suspect, went to go check on Rest. After seeing no signs of distress, the officer waited for more law enforcement vehicles to arrive then circled back to where the SUV had been parked.

Boelter was gone.

He wasn’t seen again for an hour. What he did in that timespan remains unclear. A spokesperson for the BCA said they are actively investigating what happened after the New Hope police officer encountered Boelter.

Source: Startribune

[AGRforever]

I think if I were you, I’d post a lot less on topics that require critical thought and comprehension.  You seem to want to be a comedian, but your material isn't funny or insightful. You've already posted enough material to show that you have a somewhat scary way of looking at the world.

Gotcha, so you're good with "murder" as long as its "murder" you approve of?

[Waterboy]

Gotcha, so you're good with "murder" as long as its "murder" you approve of?  

I respect others here enough to have an intelligent conversation.  You're not amongst them and not capable, so draw the conclusions you wish by all means.  Per Jimmy's request I can't just make fun of you, which at this point is all I can really do in reply to your ignorance, so I guess that wins the day.

[Waterboy]

In hindsight, the New Hope cop who stopped Boelter in the street (in his "make shift" LEO mobile) missed an opportunity to potentially end this even earlier.

The Brooklyn Park Sergeant was exemplary in his decision making to send people to the Hortmans on a welfare check. They damn near got there in time to save everyone in that house (including Gilbert the Retriever). 

Sadly, wasn't meant to be.

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As Champlin and Brooklyn Park police officers arrived at the Hoffmans, they quickly spread the word that the suspect was “in a cop car, dressed as a cop.”

Brooklyn Park Police Chief Mark Bruley took over as the incident commander on the scene and coordinated law enforcement actions as the search for a suspect began.

Looking back on the early moments of the investigation, Bruley said Tuesday that, “This entire thing has been chaotic, but it was a very chaotic first two hours.”

In that chaos, Boelter was on the move again.

His GPS took him from Maple Grove to the home of Sen. Ann Rest in New Hope. He circled back the way he came, heading farther south on Hwy. 169. It was approximately 5 miles and 9 minutes away. At 2:36 a.m., 12 minutes after Boelter knocked on the door in Maple Grove, a New Hope police officer came upon him near Rest’s home.

The officer was performing a wellness check on the politician. It is unclear how that check came to be and if other law enforcement agencies were already aware that Boelter was targeting state politicians.

New Hope Police Chief Tim Hoyt said in a statement that the officer “self-dispatched” to the house as details of the search “were still rapidly developing and information about the suspect and vehicle was still being determined.”

State and federal investigators have said in recent days that when the officer approached the SUV, Boelter was sitting in the driver’s seat staring straight ahead and did not respond to questions from the officer. Acting U.S. Attorney Joe Thompson said Monday that Boelter was likely wearing a silicone face mask at the time.

Drew Evans, superintendent of the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, said at a news conference Monday that, “I don’t know the specifics of the question, but what I will tell you is Hennepin County law enforcement working together knew” it was a political shooting “and some of them did proactive” investigations.

The New Hope officer, not realizing they had just encountered the suspect, went to go check on Rest. After seeing no signs of distress, the officer waited for more law enforcement vehicles to arrive then circled back to where the SUV had been parked.

Boelter was gone.

He wasn’t seen again for an hour. What he did in that timespan remains unclear. A spokesperson for the BCA said they are actively investigating what happened after the New Hope police officer encountered Boelter.

Source: Startribune

It's too bad that it couldn't have been entirely prevented, but I would still assess this as an overall excellent job by the police force of avoiding even larger loss.

[purplefaithful]

It's too bad that it couldn't have been entirely prevented, but I would still assess this as an overall excellent job by the police force of avoiding even larger loss.

Agreed -- and the coordination across cities and with the feds too. It's a proud moment for the state Leo's.

[purplefaithful]

The anger, vitriol and looking at the world through an us vs them lens is tearing this country apart...From the inside/out

Plenty of blame to go around. ITs up to Washington to set a new standard.

I'm glad to see Johnson, Jeffries and others pushing a cool it down rhetoric.