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Waterboy · 06-19-2025, 10:39 PM

(06-19-2025, 08:28 PM)badgervike Wrote: You have to let the Iraniam people uprise first. If you take out the Ayatollah, that power void will be immediately filled by the military. Not sure that having the Revolutionary guard in charge is better than the

I’m not sure I totally agree or disagree with you here. There are a lot of ways in this free for all environment that it could go, but a front-runner scenario would certainly be what you spell out. I think anything is better than a radical Muslim cleric. A tamed military that could take control and install order isn’t all bad. Something resembling the Revolutionary Guard would be, but they’re so decimated that they may not look very similar post war.

*JimmyinSD* · Yesterday, 06:32 AM

Have we not learned the wisdom behind " the devil we know"? The US's "king maker" efforts dont typically have the best long term results for the people of the country we meddle in, or our own standing in that country/region.

Waterboy · Yesterday, 08:36 AM

(Yesterday, 06:32 AM)JimmyinSD Wrote: Have we not learned the wisdom behind " the devil we know"? The US's "king maker" efforts dont typically have the best long term results for the people of the country we meddle in, or our own standing in that country/region.

I don't know if you meant this for me, but I'm not advocating us installing anyone. I also don't think you could find a regime that is worse than what's in place right now. The problem is as bad as it is, it has provided internal stability in a Stalinist Russia kind of way. We (collectively with Israel or Israel itself) have to take out his nukes in a visibly obvious manner. And once that has occurred, there's no way Khamenei stays in power. What could be of benefit, however, is the alignment with the other Arab states and the Iran people's wishes to become prosperous, perhaps the leadership that emerges looks more moderate. There will be triggers being pulled from the Arab states I have to believe, but at least the moves will be regionally influenced and not as a result of the Great Satan. Just my read and I could be WAY off. lol I'm not an expert in Mideast studies but do understand the basic dynamics at work and some of the specifics on the make-ups of the populations.

*JimmyinSD* · Yesterday, 11:08 AM

(Yesterday, 08:36 AM)Waterboy Wrote: I don't know if you meant this for me, but I'm not advocating us installing anyone. I also don't think you could find a regime that is worse than what's in place right now. The problem is as bad as it is, it has provided internal stability in a Stalinist Russia kind of way. We (collectively with Israel or Israel itself) have to take out his nukes in a visibly obvious manner. And once that has occurred, there's no way Khamenei stays in power. What could be of benefit, however, is the alignment with the other Arab states and the Iran people's wishes to become prosperous, perhaps the leadership that emerges looks more moderate. There will be triggers being pulled from the Arab states I have to believe, but at least the moves will be regionally influenced and not as a result of the Great Satan. Just my read and I could be WAY off. lol I'm not an expert in Mideast studies but do understand the basic dynamics at work and some of the specifics on the make-ups of the populations.

wasnt meant for anybody in particular, just my observation that when the CIA... I mean the US Govt is involved in removing a known evil, quite often they are replaced with a bigger evil, or hand picked entity that feels above reproach since they have the "blessing" of Uncle Sam. I think if you want to see real democracy spread, it needs to be organic, we cant dictate it and "create" it like we so often seem to be compelled to do. I hate seeing people suffer as much as anybody, but if those people arent in a position to rise up on their own, they are only going to become a new dependent group once they are in control as they are not prepared or equipped to lead a nation, or simply will be slaughtered and replaced with the next evil.

vacuums dont exist for long before nature fills it, power vacuums even less, it would be great to see a better Iran, but are the Iranian people ready for that, or are we talking about a new game of whack a mole that like Badger says, the next mole may have even less respect for life.