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(Yesterday, 07:22 PM)viking012 Wrote: Thought it'd be fun to put together a Vikings All Quarter Century Team. Here is my stab at it, going to do Offense first. Got all of my stats from AI, so assuming some errors. Only counting years from 2000, not full career with Vikings.
QB: 1) Daunte Culpepper 6 seasons, 24K pass yds, 149 TDs, 106 Ints, 2600 rush yards, 34 TDs, 3 probowls
2) Kirk Cousins 6 seasons, 23K pass yds, 171 TDs, 55 Ints, 3 probowls
3) Brett Favre 2 seasons
Tough call between Culpepper and Cousins. Give the edge to Culpepper. I think if Culpepper were around in todays game and had someone like KOC guiding him vs Tice, we'd be talking multiple superbowls. With Favre, 2009 awesome year, but not enough years for me to put above Cousins and Culpepper. I was a huge fan of Jeff George, loved his cannon arm, not his hustle though.
RB: 1) Adrian Peterson 10 seasons, 11.7K rush yds, 97 TDS, 232 rec, 2K rec yds, 5 TDS, 7 Probowls, 1 MVP
2) Dalvin Cook 6 seasons, 6K yards, 43 TDs. 224 Rec, 1791 rec yds. 5 Tds, 4 PBs
3) Chester Taylor 4 seasons, 4.7K yds, 26 TDs, 299 Rec, 2324 rec yds, 6 Tds
1st two are easy and no brainers. AD definitely one of my favorites of all time. I loved Chester Taylor's game more than others (Michael Bennett, Mo Williams). Lightening and Thunder with him and AD. If Robert Smith didn't hang up his cleats so early, prob would have him at 3.
FB: 1) Jimmy Kleinsasser, 12 seasons, Vikings lifer
2) CJ Ham, 8 seasons, 2 PB
Put Kleinsasser at FB, so I could get others at TE. Loved Jimmy, Viking lifer! CJ has been reliable and consistent for the Vikes.
WR: 1) Justin Jefferson 5 seasons, 495 rec, 7432 rec yds, 40 Tds, 4 PBs
2) Randy Moss 6 seasons, 438rec, 6554 rec yds, 64TDs, 3 PBs
3) Adam Thielen 9 seasons, 534rec, 6682rec Yds, 55TDs, 2 PBs
4) Percy Harvin 4 seasons, 280 rec, 3302rec yds, 20TDs. 683 rushing yds, 4TDs, 5 KR TDs
5) Stefon Diggs 5 seasons, 365 rec, 4623 rec yds, 30 TDs
Again first 2 are no brainers, but definitely debatable who is #1. Never thought I'd put someone over Moss, but you have to love everything JJ does and not playing with the diva WR attitude. With this being a quarter century team, expect Jefferson to have another huge year and widen the statistical gap he has on Moss on yds/rec and tighten the TD gap. Had to put Thielen at 3, he is Minnesota thru and thru! Thought he'd be a Viking lifer, but unfortunately didn't work out. Placed Harvin (one of my all time favs) and Diggs on the list, even with the headaches (pun intended) still tremendous players. Wish Harvin had a Jefferson by his side, along with McCardell and KOC coaching him.
LT: 1) Bryant McKinnie 9 seasons, 1 PB
2) Christian Darrisaw 4 seasons
McKinnie was a solid guy for several years, still didn't live up to his potential. Still consider him to be one of the top 10-15 LTs when he played. Only reason I have McKinnie over Darrisaw is because of the number of seasons played. Hoping Darrisaw can return back to his dominant level after the injury. If Kalil could've lived up to his potential, would've been on this list.
LG: 1) Steve Hutchinson 6 seasons, 4PBs
Duh!! No one else considering in my opinion, just several fill ins. LG has been tough for us to fill, hopefully Jackson changes that. Hutch was a great FA add.
C: 1) Matt Birk 8 seasons, 6PBs
2) John Sullivan, 7 seasons
One great one and another reliable one. Wish we made would've made Birk a Viking lifer like Kleinsasser. We had a nice streak of good/great C's, Christy before this, Lowdermilk, Tingelhoff. Hopefully start again here with Kelly.
RG: 1) David Dixon 5 seasons and many more before this
2) Anthony Herrera 7 seasons, Viking lifer.
Loved Dixon in the run game and barely missed any games. Herrera had some decent years, key blocker for several years for AD.
RT: 1) Brian O'Neill, 7 seasons, 2PBs
2) Phil Loadholt, 5 seasons
O'Neill has been very reliable. Loadholt, key blocker along with Herrera for several years for AD. Korey Stringer would definitely be on this list if he wasn't taken away from us way too early. RIP.
Other serviceable lineman: Joe Berger, Brandon Fusco, and Reilly Reiff
TE: 1) Kyle Rudolph 10 seasons, 453 rec, 4.5K rec yds, 48 TDs, 2PBs
2) TJ Hockenson 3 seasons, 196 rec, 1.9K rec yds, 8 TDs
3) Visanthe Shiancoe, 5 seasons, 208 rec, 2.4K rec yds, 24 TDs
Easily can have Kleinsasser on this list. If Hockenson had more years, definitely would have him above Rudolph. I think he's in line for a PB year. Shiancoe was an nice TE, consistent 500 yd seasons.
Will do defense this weekend. Would leave Favre off. One great year with the typical ending. 2010 was horrible, didn't get to camp, learn the offense and wasn't bought in.
Your list shows the weakness at LG for sure. Even RG has been rather barren.
Agreed on Thielen and JimmyK
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(Yesterday, 07:22 PM)viking012 Wrote: LG: 1) Steve Hutchinson 6 seasons, 4PBs
Duh!! No one else considering in my opinion, just several fill ins. LG has been tough for us to fill, hopefully Jackson changes that. Hutch was a great FA add.
(Yesterday, 10:03 PM)greediron Wrote: Your list shows the weakness at LG for sure. Even RG has been rather barren.
Am I missing something? Fill ins? Randall McDaniel was a 12 time Probowler and has a bust in Canton. Think I could make a case for him over Hutch.
And at Right Guard, I'd put Ed White way ahead of Herreira.
Also, at QB. Favre had 1 good/great season with the Vikings. They would have won it all except for Bountygate and the win one for Katrina sentiment. Not sure you can leave Sir Francis off that list.
Percy Harvin over Cris Carter?
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(8 hours ago)badgervike Wrote: Am I missing something? Fill ins? Randall McDaniel was a 12 time Probowler and has a bust in Canton. Think I could make a case for him over Hutch.
And at Right Guard, I'd put Ed White way ahead of Herreira.
Also, at QB. Favre had 1 good/great season with the Vikings. They would have won it all except for Bountygate and the win one for Katrina sentiment. Not sure you can leave Sir Francis off that list.
This whole post concept is 2000 onwards. Only for the first quarter century of this millenium.
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(7 hours ago)medaille Wrote: This whole post concept is 2000 onwards. Only for the first quarter century of this millenium.
Gotcha. I forgot that was the original OP. Just thought he was dissing the old guys...lol. In the 2000's, the all Century team would have to be the most acrobatic at falling down.
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(7 hours ago)badgervike Wrote: Gotcha. I forgot that was the original OP. Just thought he was dissing the old guys...lol. In the 2000's, the all Century team would have to be the most acrobatic at falling down.
Lol, I was wondering. I am an old guy as well so I might forget anyone, but not this time.
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(Yesterday, 07:22 PM)viking012 Wrote: Thought it'd be fun to put together a Vikings All Quarter Century Team. Here is my stab at it, going to do Offense first. Got all of my stats from AI, so assuming some errors. Only counting years from 2000, not full career with Vikings.
QB: 1) Daunte Culpepper 6 seasons, 24K pass yds, 149 TDs, 106 Ints, 2600 rush yards, 34 TDs, 3 probowls
2) Kirk Cousins 6 seasons, 23K pass yds, 171 TDs, 55 Ints, 3 probowls
3) Brett Favre 2 seasons
Tough call between Culpepper and Cousins. Give the edge to Culpepper. I think if Culpepper were around in todays game and had someone like KOC guiding him vs Tice, we'd be talking multiple superbowls. With Favre, 2009 awesome year, but not enough years for me to put above Cousins and Culpepper. I was a huge fan of Jeff George, loved his cannon arm, not his hustle though.
RB: 1) Adrian Peterson 10 seasons, 11.7K rush yds, 97 TDS, 232 rec, 2K rec yds, 5 TDS, 7 Probowls, 1 MVP
2) Dalvin Cook 6 seasons, 6K yards, 43 TDs. 224 Rec, 1791 rec yds. 5 Tds, 4 PBs
3) Chester Taylor 4 seasons, 4.7K yds, 26 TDs, 299 Rec, 2324 rec yds, 6 Tds
1st two are easy and no brainers. AD definitely one of my favorites of all time. I loved Chester Taylor's game more than others (Michael Bennett, Mo Williams). Lightening and Thunder with him and AD. If Robert Smith didn't hang up his cleats so early, prob would have him at 3.
FB: 1) Jimmy Kleinsasser, 12 seasons, Vikings lifer
2) CJ Ham, 8 seasons, 2 PB
Put Kleinsasser at FB, so I could get others at TE. Loved Jimmy, Viking lifer! CJ has been reliable and consistent for the Vikes.
WR: 1) Justin Jefferson 5 seasons, 495 rec, 7432 rec yds, 40 Tds, 4 PBs
2) Randy Moss 6 seasons, 438rec, 6554 rec yds, 64TDs, 3 PBs
3) Adam Thielen 9 seasons, 534rec, 6682rec Yds, 55TDs, 2 PBs
4) Percy Harvin 4 seasons, 280 rec, 3302rec yds, 20TDs. 683 rushing yds, 4TDs, 5 KR TDs
5) Stefon Diggs 5 seasons, 365 rec, 4623 rec yds, 30 TDs
Again first 2 are no brainers, but definitely debatable who is #1. Never thought I'd put someone over Moss, but you have to love everything JJ does and not playing with the diva WR attitude. With this being a quarter century team, expect Jefferson to have another huge year and widen the statistical gap he has on Moss on yds/rec and tighten the TD gap. Had to put Thielen at 3, he is Minnesota thru and thru! Thought he'd be a Viking lifer, but unfortunately didn't work out. Placed Harvin (one of my all time favs) and Diggs on the list, even with the headaches (pun intended) still tremendous players. Wish Harvin had a Jefferson by his side, along with McCardell and KOC coaching him.
LT: 1) Bryant McKinnie 9 seasons, 1 PB
2) Christian Darrisaw 4 seasons
McKinnie was a solid guy for several years, still didn't live up to his potential. Still consider him to be one of the top 10-15 LTs when he played. Only reason I have McKinnie over Darrisaw is because of the number of seasons played. Hoping Darrisaw can return back to his dominant level after the injury. If Kalil could've lived up to his potential, would've been on this list.
LG: 1) Steve Hutchinson 6 seasons, 4PBs
Duh!! No one else considering in my opinion, just several fill ins. LG has been tough for us to fill, hopefully Jackson changes that. Hutch was a great FA add.
C: 1) Matt Birk 8 seasons, 6PBs
2) John Sullivan, 7 seasons
One great one and another reliable one. Wish we made would've made Birk a Viking lifer like Kleinsasser. We had a nice streak of good/great C's, Christy before this, Lowdermilk, Tingelhoff. Hopefully start again here with Kelly.
RG: 1) David Dixon 5 seasons and many more before this
2) Anthony Herrera 7 seasons, Viking lifer.
Loved Dixon in the run game and barely missed any games. Herrera had some decent years, key blocker for several years for AD.
RT: 1) Brian O'Neill, 7 seasons, 2PBs
2) Phil Loadholt, 5 seasons
O'Neill has been very reliable. Loadholt, key blocker along with Herrera for several years for AD. Korey Stringer would definitely be on this list if he wasn't taken away from us way too early. RIP.
Other serviceable lineman: Joe Berger, Brandon Fusco, and Reilly Reiff
TE: 1) Kyle Rudolph 10 seasons, 453 rec, 4.5K rec yds, 48 TDs, 2PBs
2) TJ Hockenson 3 seasons, 196 rec, 1.9K rec yds, 8 TDs
3) Visanthe Shiancoe, 5 seasons, 208 rec, 2.4K rec yds, 24 TDs
Easily can have Kleinsasser on this list. If Hockenson had more years, definitely would have him above Rudolph. I think he's in line for a PB year. Shiancoe was an nice TE, consistent 500 yd seasons.
Will do defense this weekend.
Good list. Wouldn't change much. I might put Randy over Justin right now just for the unmatched impact he had on the game. One more season and Jefferson probably moves ahead for good. Might have Diggs over Harvin too. Who's the KR? Harvin or Patterson? Probably Patterson. Sherels no brainer for PR. K is just a series of nothings. Hopefully that changes with the babyfaced assassin. Punter's gotta be Kluwe.
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(Yesterday, 07:22 PM)viking012 Wrote: Thought it'd be fun to put together a Vikings All Quarter Century Team. Here is my stab at it, going to do Offense first. Got all of my stats from AI, so assuming some errors. Only counting years from 2000, not full career with Vikings.
QB: 1) Daunte Culpepper 6 seasons, 24K pass yds, 149 TDs, 106 Ints, 2600 rush yards, 34 TDs, 3 probowls
2) Kirk Cousins 6 seasons, 23K pass yds, 171 TDs, 55 Ints, 3 probowls
3) Brett Favre 2 seasons
Tough call between Culpepper and Cousins. Give the edge to Culpepper. I think if Culpepper were around in todays game and had someone like KOC guiding him vs Tice, we'd be talking multiple superbowls. With Favre, 2009 awesome year, but not enough years for me to put above Cousins and Culpepper. I was a huge fan of Jeff George, loved his cannon arm, not his hustle though.
RB: 1) Adrian Peterson 10 seasons, 11.7K rush yds, 97 TDS, 232 rec, 2K rec yds, 5 TDS, 7 Probowls, 1 MVP
2) Dalvin Cook 6 seasons, 6K yards, 43 TDs. 224 Rec, 1791 rec yds. 5 Tds, 4 PBs
3) Chester Taylor 4 seasons, 4.7K yds, 26 TDs, 299 Rec, 2324 rec yds, 6 Tds
1st two are easy and no brainers. AD definitely one of my favorites of all time. I loved Chester Taylor's game more than others (Michael Bennett, Mo Williams). Lightening and Thunder with him and AD. If Robert Smith didn't hang up his cleats so early, prob would have him at 3.
FB: 1) Jimmy Kleinsasser, 12 seasons, Vikings lifer
2) CJ Ham, 8 seasons, 2 PB
Put Kleinsasser at FB, so I could get others at TE. Loved Jimmy, Viking lifer! CJ has been reliable and consistent for the Vikes.
WR: 1) Justin Jefferson 5 seasons, 495 rec, 7432 rec yds, 40 Tds, 4 PBs
2) Randy Moss 6 seasons, 438rec, 6554 rec yds, 64TDs, 3 PBs
3) Adam Thielen 9 seasons, 534rec, 6682rec Yds, 55TDs, 2 PBs
4) Percy Harvin 4 seasons, 280 rec, 3302rec yds, 20TDs. 683 rushing yds, 4TDs, 5 KR TDs
5) Stefon Diggs 5 seasons, 365 rec, 4623 rec yds, 30 TDs
Again first 2 are no brainers, but definitely debatable who is #1. Never thought I'd put someone over Moss, but you have to love everything JJ does and not playing with the diva WR attitude. With this being a quarter century team, expect Jefferson to have another huge year and widen the statistical gap he has on Moss on yds/rec and tighten the TD gap. Had to put Thielen at 3, he is Minnesota thru and thru! Thought he'd be a Viking lifer, but unfortunately didn't work out. Placed Harvin (one of my all time favs) and Diggs on the list, even with the headaches (pun intended) still tremendous players. Wish Harvin had a Jefferson by his side, along with McCardell and KOC coaching him.
LT: 1) Bryant McKinnie 9 seasons, 1 PB
2) Christian Darrisaw 4 seasons
McKinnie was a solid guy for several years, still didn't live up to his potential. Still consider him to be one of the top 10-15 LTs when he played. Only reason I have McKinnie over Darrisaw is because of the number of seasons played. Hoping Darrisaw can return back to his dominant level after the injury. If Kalil could've lived up to his potential, would've been on this list.
LG: 1) Steve Hutchinson 6 seasons, 4PBs
Duh!! No one else considering in my opinion, just several fill ins. LG has been tough for us to fill, hopefully Jackson changes that. Hutch was a great FA add.
C: 1) Matt Birk 8 seasons, 6PBs
2) John Sullivan, 7 seasons
One great one and another reliable one. Wish we made would've made Birk a Viking lifer like Kleinsasser. We had a nice streak of good/great C's, Christy before this, Lowdermilk, Tingelhoff. Hopefully start again here with Kelly.
RG: 1) David Dixon 5 seasons and many more before this
2) Anthony Herrera 7 seasons, Viking lifer.
Loved Dixon in the run game and barely missed any games. Herrera had some decent years, key blocker for several years for AD.
RT: 1) Brian O'Neill, 7 seasons, 2PBs
2) Phil Loadholt, 5 seasons
O'Neill has been very reliable. Loadholt, key blocker along with Herrera for several years for AD. Korey Stringer would definitely be on this list if he wasn't taken away from us way too early. RIP.
Other serviceable lineman: Joe Berger, Brandon Fusco, and Reilly Reiff
TE: 1) Kyle Rudolph 10 seasons, 453 rec, 4.5K rec yds, 48 TDs, 2PBs
2) TJ Hockenson 3 seasons, 196 rec, 1.9K rec yds, 8 TDs
3) Visanthe Shiancoe, 5 seasons, 208 rec, 2.4K rec yds, 24 TDs
Easily can have Kleinsasser on this list. If Hockenson had more years, definitely would have him above Rudolph. I think he's in line for a PB year. Shiancoe was an nice TE, consistent 500 yd seasons.
Will do defense this weekend.
Well done, bravo!
I couldn't find much fault or significant areas to disagree...
I wouldnt be able to put J Jetta over Moss (yet) or Harvin over Diggs. As much as a Diva Diggs is to this day, I still have some luv for him from being at the Mpls Miracle.
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While I think Diggs and Thielen are pretty clearly better than Harvin from a historical production standpoint. I think peak Harvin is who I would pick for my WR3 if I was trying to make an offense that competed against other teams, and I was limited to only those 3 WR, just because he offers a much different skillset that I think would be more valuable in an offense that already had Jefferson and Moss. Jefferson, Diggs and Thielen are all stress the defense in similar ways.
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