MN Legislator Murdered

[purplefaithful]

There is one point in Waterboy's post that is important.  In this screwed up, hyper partisan climate, we have legitimatized acts of violence against those we disagree with.  Mangione is a folk hero to many.  His legal fund was at over $1M last I saw and growing.  Those that contribute and support gunning down a husband and father because you don't agree with his decisions are truly messed up.  We call the Floyd protests and current ICE protests / Kings protests "mostly peaceful".  Destroying and looting and injuring / killing innocent people is not mostly peaceful.  That's what happens when you invite the likes of Antifa to your party.  I have friends in Madison that are angry, yes angry, that the would be Trump assassin missed his shot.  I can't even get my head around the glorification and normalization of truly violent acts.  That normalization likely further created an environment of acceptance for the Minnesota shooter (at least in his mind).  Since none of us know what motivated that shooter, it's important that we find out what his motives and mental state were before we spend much time speculating.

You're too informed to not know what motivated the shooter by now...That said, lets hear it directly from the perp. 

Or "The Nightmare on Waltz Street" as some have childishly mused. Leave it to a rep in Washington to not seize the moment and rather use a cold blooded murder to continue the divisiveness and hate.

[badgervike]

You can't make this up.  We have UHC, signed up the day before the CEO go shot.  100% preapproved pediatric Vanderbilt heart clinic for my daughter.  EKG's, blood work, monitor, Dr visits, the whole nine yards.  Hours on the phone with Vandy and UHC before doing all this. Got the bills last night. UHC denied the entire thing.  FUCK UHC and everyone involved with them.  They are the most scummy corporation on the face of the planet.  

I should have had about $250 in copays.  There was well over $3k in bills in my mailbox and I expect there to be many thousands more coming if they denied these first bills. 

I'm going to make a contribution to Luigi's legal fund today.

Seems a little arbitrary and reactive to fund a guys legal fund for his killer since he wasn't the guy in charge anymore...because...well he's dead.  How about we just establish bounties and kill lists for people that piss us off?  That seems a lot more on point and proactive.

Insurance providers (public or private) are always looking for a way to not pay claims.  It's not limited to UHC.  Even countries that have national healthcare also have "death panels" to decide what they will and won't pay.  It's not just healthcare.  Look at the issues in getting full value homeowners insurance settlements for wildfires in California and hurricane impacted areas.  Ah...f@ck it..let's just kill them all.  Am I right?  And while we're at it...I'd like to add a few to the list.  Flo...the insurance spokesperson for Progressive annoys the crap out of me.  Can we add her to your list of insurance industry justified killings?  And don't get me started on the Gecko...

[Waterboy]

You're too informed to not know what motivated the shooter by now...That said, lets hear it directly from the perp. 

Or "The Nightmare on Waltz Street" as some have childishly mused. Leave it to a rep in Washington to not seize the moment and rather use a cold blooded murder to continue the divisiveness and hate.

A lot of us are informed, and I'm not truly sure what was going through this guys head, something I think I have in common with the killer.  It's all over the place.  What I do know is the logic to murder anyone is flawed, which was always my point.

[AGRforever]

Seems a little arbitrary and reactive to fund a guys legal fund for his killer since he wasn't the guy in charge anymore...because...well he's dead.  How about we just establish bounties and kill lists for people that piss us off?  That seems a lot more on point and proactive.

Insurance providers (public or private) are always looking for a way to not pay claims.  It's not limited to UHC.  Even countries that have national healthcare also have "death panels" to decide what they will and won't pay.  It's not just healthcare.  Look at the issues in getting full value homeowners insurance settlements for wildfires in California and hurricane impacted areas.  Ah...f@ck it..let's just kill them all.  Am I right?  And while we're at it...I'd like to add a few to the list.  Flo...the insurance spokesperson for Progressive annoys the crap out of me.  Can we add her to your list of insurance industry justified killings?  And don't get me started on the Gecko...

 I didn’t kill the ceo. No tears were shed when someone else did though. Big difference between the two.

[Waterboy]

 I didn’t kill the ceo. No tears were shed when someone else did though. Big difference between the two.

Pathetic in every way.  You’re trying to show support for the action while avoiding any accountability for holding deranged and dangerous views.

[JimmyinSD]

Jimmy, you can read the last posts from badgerViking and AGR and maybe understand a little better where I'm coming from.  People will legitimize anything and that's sickening.

Let me ask this,  if a criminal kills somebody in the act of committing their crime,  do you support the death penalty?  I do,  I think Luigi deserves to die for his crime,  but I also think he took another criminal off the streets which is why some see him as a folk hero.  He did something,  likely the wrong thing,  but something to try and prevent more innocents from being wronged by an evil sinner.  Will his actions help,  no,  but it puts more light on the evils of our health care system and eventually that may help.

I dont think your friends brother deserved to die,  but I dont think he was a good person.  And as such I have a hard time finding sympathy for his death,   only for those that lost him as a loved one.

[Waterboy]

Let me ask this,  if a criminal kills somebody in the act of committing their crime,  do you support the death penalty?  I do,  I think Luigi deserves to die for his crime,  but I also think he took another criminal off the streets which is why some see him as a folk hero.  He did something,  likely the wrong thing,  but something to try and prevent more innocents from being wronged by an evil sinner.  Will his actions help,  no,  but it puts more light on the evils of our health care system and eventually that may help.

I dont think your friends brother deserved to die,  but I dont think he was a good person.  And as such I have a hard time finding sympathy for his death,   only for those that lost him as a loved one.

So, judging from the outside and not knowing all of the good he potentially added to this world and the devastation to those that loved him, you’re able to say definitively that he was not a good person?  I think that says more about you than it does about him.  I don’t think you had even 10% of the information on him necessary to make a judgment like you are.  I can’t say he definitively was a great person.  I know for a fact he had some good qualities.  

You’re the one that’s forming false equivalencies now acting as judge and jury about his actions as CEO.  He was convicted of no crimes.  He was sentenced to death by a delusional criminal.  People supporting that idiot via GoFundMe are just wrong.   Btw, I’m pro death penalty when the crime warrants it.  A CEO maximizing profits at the expense of customers (assuming you’re right) isn’t one of them.

[JimmyinSD]

So, judging from the outside and not knowing all of the good he potentially added to this world and the devastation to those that loved him, you’re able to say definitively that he was not a good person?  I think that says more about you than it does about him.  I don’t think you had even 10% of the information on him necessary to make a judgment like you are.  I can’t say he definitively was a great person.  I know for a fact he had some good qualities.  

You’re the one that’s forming false equivalencies now acting as judge and jury about his actions as CEO.  He was convicted of no crimes.  He was sentenced to death by a delusional criminal.  People supporting that idiot via GoFundMe are just wrong.   Btw, I’m pro death penalty when the crime warrants it.  A CEO maximizing profits at the expense of customers (assuming you’re right) isn’t one of them.

What he did is called greed ( among other things)  its one of the 7 deadly sins... and considering his con was victimizing people when they need help the most,  yep I am going to make a judgement call on this one... his good deeds were funded by his sins against the sick and dying... I don't thing they offset the damage his company did under his direction.

you refer to his murderer as being sick, deranged, delusional,   how mentally sick does a person have to be to victimize those who at their most needy and can least afford to be taken advantage of?  what kind of fucked up monster thinks that profits at the expense of sick people,  especially cheating them out of care they have paid for in advance,  is an acceptable thing?   I dont give a fuck what a person does with those type of gains,  they are fucking evil.

I dont know him,  I dont need to know him to know that what he did was wrong and was likely what led to his death.  is it justified...no,  but like the kids like to say today.... fuck around and find out,  well in this case his actions had deadly consequences.  I pray for his soul,  I hope he had time to make right with the Lord before the real judgement took place,  and I pray for you and his other loved ones that they can find peace with their loss.

[Waterboy]

What he did is called greed ( among other things)  its one of the 7 deadly sins... and considering his con was victimizing people when they need help the most,  yep I am going to make a judgement call on this one... his good deeds were funded by his sins against the sick and dying... I don't thing they offset the damage his company did under his direction.

you refer to his murderer as being sick, deranged, delusional,   how mentally sick does a person have to be to victimize those who at their most needy and can least afford to be taken advantage of?  what kind of fucked up monster thinks that profits at the expense of sick people,  especially cheating them out of care they have paid for in advance,  is an acceptable thing?   I dont give a fuck what a person does with those type of gains,  they are fucking evil.

I dont know him,  I dont need to know him to know that what he did was wrong and was likely what led to his death.  is it justified...no,  but like the kids like to say today.... fuck around and find out,  well in this case his actions had deadly consequences.  I pray for his soul,  I hope he had time to make right with the Lord before the real judgement took place,  and I pray for you and his other loved ones that they can find peace with their loss.

How many of the seven deadly sins have you committed?  Basically, your argument says any CEO that runs a for profit operation at the expense of their customers (at least in the healthcare industry) is “evil”.  Okay, Jimmy, who’s really the one full of bluster here?  When you’re in a hole, the advice is to stop shoveling.  I have a feeling my friend’s brother did more good for this world than the sum total of all of those on this board criticizing him.

[JimmyinSD]

How many of the seven deadly sins have you committed?  Basically, your argument says any CEO that runs a for profit operation at the expense of their customers (at least in the healthcare industry) is “evil”.  Okay, Jimmy, who’s really the one full of bluster here?  When you’re in a hole, the advice is to stop shoveling.  I have a feeling my friend’s brother did more good for this world than the sum total of all of those on this board criticizing him.

I dont prey on the weak, the sick, and the dying.  and I have a feeling that you are likely more wrong than you will ever be able to know.  Your issue is the more you defend him,  the higher his pedestal seems to get for you.  drug cartel leaders, gangsters, and all kinds of despicable people throughout history have had people that loved them,  and they made a habit out of doing some good,  but that didnt erase the fact that their businesses destroyed many many more lives than those benefitting from their "good deeds".  Not to mention,  how many of the wealthy folks good deeds are truly out of generosity and are not driven by tax benefits?

Look,  I dont want to run down your memory of the man,  but you need to step back and look at it from the perspective of others just as you want them to do when condemn their view points.  most all have conceded at times that he wasnt a monster,  and most all have said his murder wasnt justified by his actions,  but I dont think you will find many outside your circle that will label him as an innocent victim.