Can the Cardinals get where they want to be with Kyler Murray?

[StickierBuns]

I'm asking. He'll turn 28 years old in August, not old by any stretch. When you look at his stats yearly and overall from a clinical observation, they aren't bad. But when you do a deeper dive, where is he coming up big in games? Is he the type of player that can win it all for Arizona? IMO he's not. How much longer do the Cardinals hang in there with him before pivoting to a drafted QB? He has his good moments, no doubt, but are there enough game-winning moments?

[MaroonBells]

Like Dallas with Dak, the Cards are in no man's land with a QB too good to move on from and not good enough to win it all. Hoping and praying we don't end up there.

[purplefaithful]

Like Dallas with Dak, the Cards are in no man's land with a QB too good to move on from and not good enough to win it all. Hoping and praying we don't end up there.

This is my thinking too...

Please dont end up here JJM.

Its easy to forget KM was a #1 overall pick - and he hasn't lived up to those lofty expectations. Every ranking I look at has him in the #11 to #21 range. 

No Mans Land as MB says, but still takes up a bunch of cap, makes a few highlight plays and puts butts in the seats. 

After a while, thats as satisfying as a cold ham sandwich with store brand Mayo and no cheese on white bread.

[StickierBuns]

Its much more common to BE in No Man's Land, really....many teams are to one respect or another. But if you can win or get to a Superbowl with guys like Jared Goff, Brock Purdy, etc. its more open than you think. Interesting story here:

https://sports.yahoo.com/history-not-kin...08617.html

Bottom line: its really hard to win a Superbowl. And its even harder to go BACK to a Superbowl after being there. McCarthy will have his chance, the key is to be talented enough that you can get to a NFCC game several times. Help win games in crunch time. Its way more important than having Dan Marino stats every season.

[medaille]

Like it’s been beaten to death, but It’s entirely different being able to compose a roster around rookie QB Goff and rookie QB Purdy, and being able to do the same with them commanding a big contract. I just don’t think the Cardinals are really a team that is going to be able to put together a roster that can take Murray to a SB.

I think the Vikings have done as much as possible to surround JJM with enough talent that we can get to a SB in his rookie contract if things go well. After that, we probably have to hope that he’s in that upper echelon tier that can carry a lesser roster.

Regarding mid-QBs. It’s a dumb strategy to lock yourself into a mid-QB, but the 49ers might be one of those teams that can get away with it. I think the Eagles are showing how to do it, with their super backloading of contracts. I don’t think it will work for teams that aren’t generally good at maximizing their players’ potential. I’m also not certain what a good rebuild looks like. We’ve seen the Saints do it poorly, but I’m not sure what a good rebuild looks like. Ours was OK, but it took like 3 years. 49ers purged a lot of cap mess this year. Can they rebuild in 2 years and be back to contending quicker?

[Still Hurtn]

Great Topic- IMO when you don't have a top tier QB then you must compensate in the other phases.

Also I have posed this question before. What was the real reason for Sam Darnolds success last year? KOC and the Vikings organization or Sam?

Is Brock Purdy great or a product of Kyle Shanahan and the 49ers?

In both cases I would say its the coach and org more then the player.

If JJM doesn't pan out I think the Vikings will always find a QB who's careers need resurrecting. Eventually one of those guys will take a little less to actually get more.

Looking back Dennis Green had a way of making multiple QB's successful.

[StickierBuns]

If JJM doesn't pan out I think the Vikings will always find a QB who's careers need resurrecting. Eventually one of those guys will take a little less to actually get more.

This is exactly how I feel. Its the last thing I want to have happen is JJM not pan out and I believe that he will, but I think there'll always be a talented QB that will want to enroll in KOC University.

But this is part of WHY I don't think we'll have any worries with McCarthy:

https://twitter.com/vikingzfanpage/statu...3224684644

[medaille]

Yeah, I think the coaching staff is more important than the QB prospect. Like, we can all see these great QBs and how much they impact the game, but so many of them “end up” on high quality teams. I think it’s much more a case of high quality teams are capable of getting the most out of each player, and they can get the most out of the QB, and get the most out of the supporting cast, which makes the QB’s life easier.

Like, what would have happened if you switched Mahomes and Burrows? Burrows goes to Reid and the Chiefs. Mahomes goes to the Bengals. I think Mahomes would look fun but like the guy that just couldn’t get over the hump, and Burrows would be rolling in Super Bowls.

I think it’s borderline criminal how little the coaches get paid, when it’s the one area that has probably the most impact on winning, while also not being subject to a salary cap. I think it’s important for good teams to not let money be a reason coaches leave. Obviously, most coaches probably want to move up and get promoted, but just don’t let them leave because you’re too cheap.

[Zanary]

Like Dallas with Dak, the Cards are in no man's land with a QB too good to move on from and not good enough to win it all. Hoping and praying we don't end up there.

I like this comparison. Both QBs have competing numbers of highlight and lowlight reels, both have been fragile (physically AND mentally), and both have put up enough monster performances that the trainwrecks get brushed aside.

I think that the top-down insanity of the Cowboys' "leadership" and the forgettable equivalents in Arizona have had a lot to do with the issues, obviously, and likely will keep both teams in "talented but underperforming" limbo for years to come.