Honestly, I think it's become more of a media craze than a real issue.
CK has been as bad as he's been good, and his "statement" is arguably both overdue and badly-aimed.
When he was wearing a Castro shirt in the midst of it, I blew him off as a complete moron...the same way I saw kids screaming for more LGBT rights while wearing Che Gueverra shirts during my recent schooling.
My real take on CK is that he isn't doing what he needs to do, and this has been pointed out by a few analysts: he needs to make as much or more noise about his desire to work and play as he's made about injustice. He should be calling press conferences to show his re-investment into his football career...but I'm not seeing/hearing that.
So...what backup is worth all the controversy he'd bring? I can't name one.
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@ PSBLAKE said:
Why cant we just blame Kap? I know a guy who leads college eduacation tours to the middle East during the Summer months. He is a professor and had about 40 college students with him in Egypt. Guess who was there at two of the sites they toured? Kap! Some of the college kids were excited and some wanted to get selfies, get an autograph or just say hi. He acted like a total jerk to them all would not take a pic just blatantly ignored any attempt to say hi or anything. Now mind you these are college kids some who had bought into his protest. They came away with a new view of this guy. After the continued snubs at both sites some wanted to sing the national anthem to him.
In fairness to Kap, what kind of sites were they? If they were religious in nature it might have been offensive to him. I know that the Christian people that I've talked to have had the opportunity to visit many of the religious sites in Israel have said that it is beyond anything they have ever felt as a Christian and very very humbling.
Or maybe he is just a dick....
unless he is a worshipper of egytian gods there would be no issues
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@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
Championships? Those are a long time ago.
Yeah, ol' man Kaepernick. Broken down at 29. Can't run anymore. Arm is probably shot. I don't have the stats in front of me, but seriously, what are the odds a QB can be effective past the age of 29?
hyperbole much? Physically he is fine. Except for being weaker due to the vegan stuff. It is that teams have figured him out. He is a run first QB that can't consistently beat them passing. Sort of like Cam without the huge body and decent accuracy.
Except, of course, when he does. Like last year against Miami, 300 yards, 3 TDs to go along with his 113 yards rushing. Or the many times in previous years, like when he threw for over 300 yards and engineered one of the greatest Super Bowl comebacks in history. Oh yeah, but Ryan Mallet and Brock Osweiller and Paxton Lynch and Chad Henne and Mike Glennon are better QBs. Gimme a break. It's a ridiculous, laughable argument. I wish people would just be honest. If you don't like him because of his politics, then just man up and say so. There's nothing wrong with that. Or at least acknowledge that the biggest reason he's not on a roster is the distraction issue. Or even the contract issue. But to suggest that Kap is past his prime at 29, or that he isn't "talented enough" to be among the 100 or so QBs on NFL rosters this summer, is just silly.
why does it have to be one thing? IMO its a culmination of everything that is listed. His game doesnt fit every type of offense so his value as a starting candidate is somewhat limited, however if he were to back down on the contract demands and sign for a few million to be a back up, then he becomes viable again, until you realize that you are signing a locker room distraction nightmare to be a clip board holder in which case you decide that as little as you use a back up QB... you just cant risk your entire season in order to bow down to media pressure, especially when its not targeted at any one team/owner/gm.
how anybody feels sorry for a multi-million dollar athlete that quit his job ( he opted out of his contract ) because he over valued himself, and then cant get a new deal because of how his antics reflect on the company and league is beyond me.
Yes. Fine. Good. Criticize him all you want for what he did, is doing, will do. I have no problem with any of that. Well, I do, but that's another argument. My only problem is when people make the argument that he's not talented enough to be on a roster. That's the bucket of bullshit that some are trying to sell. And for the life-a-me I can't figure out why.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
Championships? Those are a long time ago.
Yeah, ol' man Kaepernick. Broken down at 29. Can't run anymore. Arm is probably shot. I don't have the stats in front of me, but seriously, what are the odds a QB can be effective past the age of 29?
hyperbole much? Physically he is fine. Except for being weaker due to the vegan stuff. It is that teams have figured him out. He is a run first QB that can't consistently beat them passing. Sort of like Cam without the huge body and decent accuracy.
Except, of course, when he does. Like last year against Miami, 300 yards, 3 TDs to go along with his 113 yards rushing. Or the many times in previous years, like when he threw for over 300 yards and engineered one of the greatest Super Bowl comebacks in history. Oh yeah, but Ryan Mallet and Brock Osweiller and Paxton Lynch and Chad Henne and Mike Glennon are better QBs. Gimme a break. It's a ridiculous, laughable argument. I wish people would just be honest. If you don't like him because of his politics, then just man up and say so. There's nothing wrong with that. Or at least acknowledge that the biggest reason he's not on a roster is the distraction issue. Or even the contract issue. But to suggest that Kap is past his prime at 29, or that he isn't "talented enough" to be among the 100 or so QBs on NFL rosters this summer, is just silly.
why does it have to be one thing? IMO its a culmination of everything that is listed. His game doesnt fit every type of offense so his value as a starting candidate is somewhat limited, however if he were to back down on the contract demands and sign for a few million to be a back up, then he becomes viable again, until you realize that you are signing a locker room distraction nightmare to be a clip board holder in which case you decide that as little as you use a back up QB... you just cant risk your entire season in order to bow down to media pressure, especially when its not targeted at any one team/owner/gm.
how anybody feels sorry for a multi-million dollar athlete that quit his job ( he opted out of his contract ) because he over valued himself, and then cant get a new deal because of how his antics reflect on the company and league is beyond me.
Yes. Fine. Good. Criticize him all you want for what he did, is doing, will do. I have no problem with any of that. Well, I do, but that's another argument. My only problem is when people make the argument that he's not talented enough to be on a roster. That's the bucket of bullshit that some are trying to sell. And for the life-a-me I can't figure out why.
his talent isnt great enough to outweigh the negatives that he brings with him. hows that?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
Championships? Those are a long time ago.
Yeah, ol' man Kaepernick. Broken down at 29. Can't run anymore. Arm is probably shot. I don't have the stats in front of me, but seriously, what are the odds a QB can be effective past the age of 29?
hyperbole much? Physically he is fine. Except for being weaker due to the vegan stuff. It is that teams have figured him out. He is a run first QB that can't consistently beat them passing. Sort of like Cam without the huge body and decent accuracy.
Except, of course, when he does. Like last year against Miami, 300 yards, 3 TDs to go along with his 113 yards rushing. Or the many times in previous years, like when he threw for over 300 yards and engineered one of the greatest Super Bowl comebacks in history. Oh yeah, but Ryan Mallet and Brock Osweiller and Paxton Lynch and Chad Henne and Mike Glennon are better QBs. Gimme a break. It's a ridiculous, laughable argument. I wish people would just be honest. If you don't like him because of his politics, then just man up and say so. There's nothing wrong with that. Or at least acknowledge that the biggest reason he's not on a roster is the distraction issue. Or even the contract issue. But to suggest that Kap is past his prime at 29, or that he isn't "talented enough" to be among the 100 or so QBs on NFL rosters this summer, is just silly.
why does it have to be one thing? IMO its a culmination of everything that is listed. His game doesnt fit every type of offense so his value as a starting candidate is somewhat limited, however if he were to back down on the contract demands and sign for a few million to be a back up, then he becomes viable again, until you realize that you are signing a locker room distraction nightmare to be a clip board holder in which case you decide that as little as you use a back up QB... you just cant risk your entire season in order to bow down to media pressure, especially when its not targeted at any one team/owner/gm.
how anybody feels sorry for a multi-million dollar athlete that quit his job ( he opted out of his contract ) because he over valued himself, and then cant get a new deal because of how his antics reflect on the company and league is beyond me.
Yes. Fine. Good. Criticize him all you want for what he did, is doing, will do. I have no problem with any of that. Well, I do, but that's another argument. My only problem is when people make the argument that he's not talented enough to be on a roster. That's the bucket of bullshit that some are trying to sell. And for the life-a-me I can't figure out why.
his talent isnt great enough to outweigh the negatives that he brings with him. hows that?
At least it's a valid point. One that could certainly be debated, but I think it's pretty safe to say that this is the conclusion most NFL personnel people have come to.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
Championships? Those are a long time ago.
Yeah, ol' man Kaepernick. Broken down at 29. Can't run anymore. Arm is probably shot. I don't have the stats in front of me, but seriously, what are the odds a QB can be effective past the age of 29?
hyperbole much? Physically he is fine. Except for being weaker due to the vegan stuff. It is that teams have figured him out. He is a run first QB that can't consistently beat them passing. Sort of like Cam without the huge body and decent accuracy.
Except, of course, when he does. Like last year against Miami, 300 yards, 3 TDs to go along with his 113 yards rushing. Or the many times in previous years, like when he threw for over 300 yards and engineered one of the greatest Super Bowl comebacks in history. Oh yeah, but Ryan Mallet and Brock Osweiller and Paxton Lynch and Chad Henne and Mike Glennon are better QBs. Gimme a break. It's a ridiculous, laughable argument. I wish people would just be honest. If you don't like him because of his politics, then just man up and say so. There's nothing wrong with that. Or at least acknowledge that the biggest reason he's not on a roster is the distraction issue. Or even the contract issue. But to suggest that Kap is past his prime at 29, or that he isn't "talented enough" to be among the 100 or so QBs on NFL rosters this summer, is just silly.
why does it have to be one thing? IMO its a culmination of everything that is listed. His game doesnt fit every type of offense so his value as a starting candidate is somewhat limited, however if he were to back down on the contract demands and sign for a few million to be a back up, then he becomes viable again, until you realize that you are signing a locker room distraction nightmare to be a clip board holder in which case you decide that as little as you use a back up QB... you just cant risk your entire season in order to bow down to media pressure, especially when its not targeted at any one team/owner/gm.
how anybody feels sorry for a multi-million dollar athlete that quit his job ( he opted out of his contract ) because he over valued himself, and then cant get a new deal because of how his antics reflect on the company and league is beyond me.
Yes. Fine. Good. Criticize him all you want for what he did, is doing, will do. I have no problem with any of that. Well, I do, but that's another argument. My only problem is when people make the argument that he's not talented enough to be on a roster. That's the bucket of bullshit that some are trying to sell. And for the life-a-me I can't figure out why.
his talent isnt great enough to outweigh the negatives that he brings with him. hows that?
At least it's a valid point. One that could certainly be debated, but I think it's pretty safe to say that this is the conclusion most NFL personnel people have come to.
well considering that the NFLs personnel peoples opinions are really the only ones that matter I thinks its rather hard to debate the merits. if 32 out of 32 say hes not worth the risk.... then its likely pretty safe to say it true.
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well considering that the NFLs personnel peoples opinions are really the only ones that matter I thinks its rather hard to debate the merits. if 32 out of 32 say hes not worth the risk.... then its likely pretty safe to say it true.
You're arguing against a point that no one is making. My point is that he's more talented than most backups and a handful of starters, not that he's worth the distraction.
Now, what's interesting is that a new ESPN poll asked "nine general managers, six pro personnel directors, five other executives, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, six defensive coordinators, five defensive assistants, three analytics directors, two quarterbacks coaches and two national scouts" to rank the NFL's QBs and Kaepernick, who isn't even on a team, was ranked ahead of 6 starters. Of course they ranked Tom Savage 33rd I think so what can they know? Now, if Savage finishes among the top 20 QBs in the NFL like I think he will, I reserve the right to put "smarter than nine general managers, six pro personnel directors, five other executives, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, six defensive coordinators, five defensive assistants, three analytics directors, two quarterbacks coaches and two national scouts" in my signature. :-)
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well considering that the NFLs personnel peoples opinions are really the only ones that matter I thinks its rather hard to debate the merits. if 32 out of 32 say hes not worth the risk.... then its likely pretty safe to say it true.
You're arguing against a point that no one is making. My point is that he's more talented than most backups and a handful of starters, not that he's worth the distraction.
Now, what's interesting is that a new ESPN poll asked "nine general managers, six pro personnel directors, five other executives, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, six defensive coordinators, five defensive assistants, three analytics directors, two quarterbacks coaches and two national scouts" to rank the NFL's QBs and Kaepernick, who isn't even on a team, was ranked ahead of 6 starters. Of course they ranked Tom Savage 33rd I think so what can they know? Now, if Savage finishes among the top 20 QBs in the NFL like I think he will, I reserve the right to put "smarter than nine general managers, six pro personnel directors, five other executives, five head coaches, seven offensive coordinators, six defensive coordinators, five defensive assistants, three analytics directors, two quarterbacks coaches and two national scouts" in my signature. :-)
you said I had a valid point, but it was debatable, I was simply stating that a consensus among the NFL personnel people kind of eliminates the room for debate.
as far as his field worthiness, I still say he is a system guy, he has never really looked good in the pocket when he needs to continually step up. I agree with greed that his diet made him pretty shitty. his passes lost zip and he just wasnt the same guy after he dumped the weight. I wonder if all those people that ranked the QBs factored in their individuals drawbacks as well, or if it was just talent based.
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@ A1Janitor said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ A1Janitor said:
LMAO. What a joke. Butterflies can't read a civil discussion about the main topic in the NFL on the football board.
Settle down, it's still there isn't it? And if the suggestion that it might possibly be moved sets you to name calling maybe that is why we have the separate board.
And you have access to use the other board so what does it matter to you anyway?
Huh, I still see it in recent discussions. So who cares what it is categorized as. But then some may bitch because the page loads too fast and the internet has too much information.
ive never seen recent discussions.
That would be nearly impossible. What is your shortcut set to or how do you access the forums?
LOL I'm an idiot. Ever since I have come here I come to a page on my iphone and immediately click categories to see sensitive and football.
I never realized the page I was on was new discussions.
Quote: @A1Janitor said:
@ Mike Olson said:
@ A1Janitor said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ A1Janitor said:
LMAO. What a joke. Butterflies can't read a civil discussion about the main topic in the NFL on the football board.
Settle down, it's still there isn't it? And if the suggestion that it might possibly be moved sets you to name calling maybe that is why we have the separate board.
And you have access to use the other board so what does it matter to you anyway?
Huh, I still see it in recent discussions. So who cares what it is categorized as. But then some may bitch because the page loads too fast and the internet has too much information.
ive never seen recent discussions.
That would be nearly impossible. What is your shortcut set to or how do you access the forums?
LOL I'm an idiot. Ever since I have come here I come to a page on my iphone and immediately click categories to see sensitive and football.
I never realized the page I was on was new discussions.
It is a bit of a different setup. i looked at software for months trying to find something I could modify similarly to our original forum. then this one sort of came really close right out of the box.
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