Vikings trade for Jordan Mason

[pattersaur]

I just think in a historically loaded RB draft class, you don't address your need there by trading assets and handing out free agency money when you are positioned to land one of the elite prospects in the draft on a rookie contract. It's called reading the strengths of a draft and projecting where those strengths land when building a roster. We did this same stupid shit when we signed Josh Oliver in a very deep TE draft. Like I said, nobody ever accused Kwesi on being able to identify and navigate the strengths of a draft board.

I like the Mason trade better than the Aaron Jones contract. If you want to be upset I personally would look that direction.

Regarding Chandler, if these two are healthy going into the year he will likely be PS or on another roster.

[supafreak84]

Trading away assets? Free agency money? Neither of those dogs hunt. Cmon. Those assets are on rounding error on a balance sheet. The money is at the bottom end of the 51 counting against the cap.

Did we not trade something for Mason and give him a 12 million dollar contract? Why even do it in the first place when we are positioned to grab one of the elite prospects at the position in the draft? If Kwesi uses the Mason acquisition as a reason NOT TO draft Omarion Hampton or Henderson on draft day so he can draft another safety....it's a bad move. Plain and simple. I think you are on that same wagon with me

[JustInTime]

Did we not trade something for Mason and give him a 12 million dollar contract? Why even do it in the first place when we are positioned to grab one of the elite prospects at the position in the draft? If Kwesi uses the Mason acquisition as a reason NOT TO draft Omarion Hampton or Henderson on draft day so he can draft another safety....it's a bad move. Plain and simple. I think you are on that same wagon with me

Cmon. $12 is the maximum value. Half truths aren’t helping your argument. And we gave up a bag of used and soiled jocks in return. Please.

Why do it. Again, we go into the draft with no glaring need. Are we in position to acquire an elite RB? You’re positive Hampton and Henderson are going to be there at 24? I’d say it as likely that none are there. 

Weren’t you all in all Poles? I recall you loving the KC background.

[bigbone62]

I get the guy was leading the league in rushing after the first month of the season and showed some ability, but why make this move with a historically deep and talented running back draft coming up? We could of essentially had out choice (probably) out of any of them not named Jeanty. We could have had a rookie stud at the position on a 4 or 5 year contract but instead we get Mason for 2. I think this is a questionable move especially if we are passing up Omarion Hampton, Henderson etc in the draft because we made this move for Mason.

Mason is a known commodity in the NFL.  More than that I don't think KOC values the ground game enough that the FO and he were going to use the first rounder on RB in a year with so few picks.

[supafreak84]

Cmon. $12 is the maximum value. Half truths aren’t helping your argument. And we gave up a bag of used and soiled jocks in return. Please.

Why do it. Again, we go into the draft with no glaring need. Are we in position to acquire an elite RB? You’re positive Hampton and Henderson are going to be there at 24? I’d say it as likely that none are there. 

Weren’t you all in all Poles? I recall you loving the KC background.

We gave up something to acquire him and gave him a new contract, right? Was it the worst compensation, no, but that's besides the point. We all know our illustrious GM has made some dubious draft day decisions, and if he uses the Mason acquisition as justification to bypass one of the elite talents at the position on draft day...it's a bad move, especially when we'd have that talent on a rookie contract. And I think there is a good chance at least one of those two backs I mentioned will likely still be on the board at #24. 

And the only thing I ever said about Ryan Poles was he took the Bears job because he likely didn't want to deal with the competitive rebuild mandates of the Wilfs and could have free reign to build the roster however he wanted. He was widely reported to be our top target for GM before he took the Bears job and we settled on Kwesi.  What does Ryan Poles have to do with anything?

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Mason is a known commodity in the NFL.  More than that I don't think KOC values the ground game enough that the FO and he were going to use the first rounder on RB in a year with so few picks.

I agree with you that KOC needs to be better about running the football. This is the year to take a RB though. Talent, value, in our draft wheelhouse...it was all there, but yes means nothing if KOC doesn't commit to it more. 

As far as Mason goes, he started out hot in a run first 49er offense and then didn't do much the rest of the year. Had an ankle injury and concussion. Coughed the ball up a bit. I mean it's certainly possible he's as much Alexander Mattison as he is David Montgomery. Not a big sample size to judge from, so he's not really a "known" commodity. I certainly hope he is everything they think he is and compliments Jones well.

[MAD GAINZ]

Cmon. $12 is the maximum value. Half truths aren’t helping your argument. And we gave up a bag of used and soiled jocks in return. Please.

Why do it. Again, we go into the draft with no glaring need. Are we in position to acquire an elite RB? You’re positive Hampton and Henderson are going to be there at 24? I’d say it as likely that none are there. 

Weren’t you all in all Poles? I recall you loving the KC background.

I think there is a strong chance both will be there.  Henderson probably goes Day 2.  With it being such a strong class, I think the teams that don't get Jeanty will wait on the next tier of RBs.  I don't have Hampton in the same tier as Jeanty. He tested really well, but I don't see the same star power on the field.  

But I agree, I think I'd rather have Mason for a late round pick swap and a couple million per year than use our first or a second (in a trade down) on a RB.  We can probably tap a RB on Day 3 now.  There will be some good prospects on Day 3 to take a swing at and I think we will if we can trade down to accumulate some extra picks (which I think is even likelier now).

[ArizonaViking]

The simple response is Mason is a proven commodity where a college rookie is not...this also opens up several options for the organization for the upcoming draft depending on how the draft unfolds. The draft has never gone by the numbers, teams have always surprised everyone with out of nowhere picks. The Vikings now have various ways to strengthen their roster and not be attached to only one necessity.

[purplefaithful]

I think there is a strong chance both will be there.  Henderson probably goes Day 2.  With it being such a strong class, I think the teams that don't get Jeanty will wait on the next tier of RBs.  I don't have Hampton in the same tier as Jeanty. He tested really well, but I don't see the same star power on the field.  

But I agree, I think I'd rather have Mason for a late round pick swap and a couple million per year than use our first or a second (in a trade down) on a RB.  We can probably tap a RB on Day 3 now.  There will be some good prospects on Day 3 to take a swing at and I think we will if we can trade down to accumulate some extra picks (which I think is even likelier now).

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Even a little blue pill wont help me overcome what you just laid out...

[Knucklehead]

The simple response is Mason is a proven commodity where a college rookie is not...this also opens up several options for the organization for the upcoming draft depending on how the draft unfolds.  The draft has never gone by the numbers, teams have always surprised everyone with out of nowhere picks.  The Vikings now have various ways to strengthen their roster and not be attached to only one necessity.

This right here. Having options is never a bad thing.

[StickierBuns]

I just think in a historically loaded RB draft class, you don't address your need there by trading assets and handing out free agency money when you are positioned to land one of the elite prospects in the draft on a rookie contract. It's called reading the strengths of a draft and projecting where those strengths land when building a roster. We did this same stupid shit when we signed Josh Oliver in a very deep TE draft. Like I said, nobody ever accused Kwesi on being able to identify and navigate the strengths of a draft board.

Dude, your rationale is fading on this one. Finding fault with the Mason trade is just searching for ways to bag on KAM. You've got a known quantity in Mason, who's only 25 years old, to unknown quantities in the draft and some of these guys are already 24 years old. He can pass block well. 'Historically loaded' doesn't mean much if you draft the wrong guy. I know you have a hard on for KAM, but this isn't the deal to criticize.