Limited market for Darnold?

[Still Hurtn]

Darnold has tools..HOWEVER...KOC provided Darnold with the culture, weapons and plays to succeed. Sam is not finding those things with the teams looking at him. Ride with JJ

[MAD GAINZ]

I dont either but I am losing faith it'll happen.

And it probably wont because the Vikings front office didnt try like hell to get something.

They (Vikings) wont franchise Sam w/out a solid deal in hand.

I am also getting the feels that they are ready to move to JJM this season, which I am cool with. 

Steelers have been quiet, that would be a great land spot for Sam.

I said that earlier this off-season ...  He's the type of QB Pittsburgh has valued under Tomlin.  Big body that can move a bit and has a great arm to attack downfield.

[comet52]

Skor North guys said today that Darnold and his agent aren't wanting to help the team with a tag/trade scenario, which imo has always been the only way it can happen.

I think he will get somewhere in the upper 30's from some team. He won't be in purple.

[hogjowlsjohnny]

I think there is too much made of his last two games against championship quality opponents. What he did before those two games was extraordinary. Yes he sucked in the last two games, but so did his protection. There is not a single hall of fame QB who didn't suck when they didn't have adequate protection.
How many QB's were better than him last year?
He is a slow processor and took a lot of sacks, but when he slung the ball downfield he was better than any QB the Vikings have had for a long time.
Some team will take a chance on him. But he will fail unless they have good pass protection. They will say he was good because of KOC!
But if he goes to a team that has pass protection, look out, he will be dangerous.

I agree with the necessity of moving on to JJM in order to build the foundation of a championship team around him, but JJM isn't going to give you what Darnold gave the Vikings last year.

Given the number of weaknesses preventing this team from being contenders, and financial constraints of a QB contract, moving forward with JJM is the only path forward that makes sense.

[MAD GAINZ]

Skor North guys said today that Darnold and his agent aren't wanting to help the team with a tag/trade scenario, which imo has always been the only way it can happen.

I think he will get somewhere in the upper 30's from some team.  He won't be in purple.

I think Darnold's agent was open to a tag/trade...  that starts the guaranteed money at 40 million in the first year if they are negotiating with other teams on a contract/trade scenario.

With the rumor the Vikings aren't likely to tag Darnold, I'm guessing his agent found out from teams they aren't looking at guaranteeing that much up front, plus adding other guarantees on a multi-year deal.

Would have been nice for it to work out, but lots of moving parts to consider.  Plus if we tagged Darnold, he's likely the starter in 2025.  And even if we traded him, that likely nixes Daniel Jones signing a 1-2 year deal here to compete with JJ McCarthy.  No way the Vikings are signing Daniel Jones (or another veteran, tagging Darnold, and keeping JJ McCarthy.  Too much money and potential starters to pay when the Vikings want to get JJ on the field sooner rather than later.

[StickierBuns]

I would be surprised to see a tag on Darnold. I have a feeling Darnolds camp was already told as such.

I don't think a tag is coming. The Vikings will already receive what, a 3rd if he just walks and signs elsewhere anyway right?

The stories a week ago were the market will be robust for Sam.....now its 'limited'....tomorrow back to robust? Guess it depends which way the wind is blowing. Regardless, lets sign Danny Dimes to pair up with McCarthy and rock and roll.

[JimmyinSD]

I don't think a tag is coming. The Vikings will already receive what, a 3rd if he just walks and signs elsewhere anyway right?

The stories a week ago were the market will be robust for Sam.....now its 'limited'....tomorrow back to robust? Guess it depends which way the wind is blowing. Regardless, lets sign Danny Dimes to pair up with McCarthy and rock and roll.

I have a feeling some fans are going to be disappointed with our final QB room as I see neither QB resigning here.  I dont think we get as much of a comp pick from either leaving either as we will be making our own free agent acquisitions to somewhat offset their losses.

[StickierBuns]

I have a feeling some fans are going to be disappointed with our final QB room as I see neither QB resigning here.  I dont think we get as much of a comp pick from either leaving either as we will be making our own free agent acquisitions to somewhat offset their losses.

Legit possible outcome for sure.

[MaroonBells]

I have a feeling some fans are going to be disappointed with our final QB room as I see neither QB resigning here.  I dont think we get as much of a comp pick from either leaving either as we will be making our own free agent acquisitions to somewhat offset their losses.

I think it's a very real possibility that our backup QB in 2025 is not on the roter. I just think Jones is probably going to get more money and a better starting opportunity elsewhere than the clear backup role and the $12M or so he'll get from the Vikings. 

Disagree about the comp picks though. Yes, we're going to be signing at least three or four players to big contracts. But those will not compare to the QB contracts. Both QB contracts will be enormous (relative to position players). Hell, even Mullens and Rypien will factor in if they get contracts somewhere else. And there are a LOT of 1-year contracts the Vikings probably won't bring back. Many of which play high value positions: Cam Robinson, Griffin and/or Gilmore, Tillery, Bullard, Jones and/or Akers, Risner, and about 6 or 7 others.

[JR44]

I think there is too much made of his last two games against championship quality opponents. What he did before those two games was extraordinary. Yes he sucked in the last two games, but so did his protection. There is not a single hall of fame QB who didn't suck when they didn't have adequate protection.
How many QB's were better than him last year?
He is a slow processor and took a lot of sacks, but when he slung the ball downfield he was better than any QB the Vikings have had for a long time.

After moving past the disappointment of those past two games and after watching how Mahomes looked pretty average in the Super Bowl when he was pressured as Darnold was, I agree with this.  Certainly Darnold's history plays a role in the evaluation of the last two games, where as Mahomes get a pass, because of his, however Darnold was pretty amazing throughout the season and while a lot of credit is going to KOC, it was Darnold's talent and skill level that KOC tapped into.  If I am Pete Carroll and returning to coaching at 73 or a GM trying to create a winner, I am looking at Darnold as the best QB option out there.