Pardons

[JimmyinSD]

The assignment of "facts" here is laughable, as it's largely speculation...not facts. If people contributed to the planned riot via logistics/planning...guilty. Cage 'em or worse.

The FACT that our traitor-in-chief pardoned as many as he did is just more proof that he's even more unfit as 47 than he was as 45. He'd look great in a jumpsuit as orange as he is.

In the past I had posted links to stories of people that were swept up and were not in the capital building nor even in the J6 group and were still being held, but facts and links dont matter to you so i wont bother to try and find them again.

Laughable are your attempts to contribute on matters involving politics,  your juvenile mutterings make anything else you try and share a gloss over at best.

[Zanary]

In the past I had posted links to stories of people that were swept up and were not in the capital building nor even in the J6 group and were still being held, but facts and links dont matter to you so i wont bother to try and find them again.

Laughable are your attempts to contribute on matters involving politics,  your juvenile mutterings make anything else you try and share a gloss over at best.

I'm sorry, but you're doubly pathetic: you pretend some objectivity, but you created a thread based on misinformation to hack on the dems, you've been an orange boi apologist repeatedly, and most of the links YOU provide are almost as slanted as your echo chamber buddy.

Laughable, in a tragic sort of way.

[AGRforever]

I'm sorry, but you're doubly pathetic: you pretend some objectivity, but you created a thread based on misinformation to hack on the dems, you've been an orange boi apologist repeatedly, and most of the links YOU provide are almost as slanted as your echo chamber buddy.

Laughable, in a tragic sort of way.

Come on man.  Be better.  We don't need to name call to make a point and yes, I've done name called plenty myself.  I'm working on it.  Name calling from both sides is just getting exhausting. I deleted Reddit the other day because of how toxic its become.  If it wasn't for family on Facebook I'd do the same with it. 

Jimmy, back on topic.  If there were legitimate people who did not show up to the capitol that day then they didn't belong in jail.  If they followed people into the capitol building they did belong in jail.  Like I said.  They shoulda shot the first 1/2 dozen and it would have all been over.

[Zanary]

Come on man.  Be better.  We don't need to name call to make a point and yes, I've done name called plenty myself.  I'm working on it.  Name calling from both sides is just getting exhausting. I deleted Reddit the other day because of how toxic its become.  If it wasn't for family on Facebook I'd do the same with it. 

Jimmy, back on topic.  If there were legitimate people who did not show up to the capitol that day then they didn't belong in jail.  If they followed people into the capitol building they did belong in jail.  Like I said.  They shoulda shot the first 1/2 dozen and it would have all been over.

This "moderator" has certainly had his biases make plenty of unfortunate posts here...but, point taken. I'll try and show the same restraint for him as I have to show for his little buddy.

Don't expect too much reason in that debate, though....

[purplefaithful]

Come on man.  Be better.  We don't need to name call to make a point and yes, I've done name called plenty myself.  I'm working on it.  Name calling from both sides is just getting exhausting. I deleted Reddit the other day because of how toxic its become.  If it wasn't for family on Facebook I'd do the same with it. 

Jimmy, back on topic.  If there were legitimate people who did not show up to the capitol that day then they didn't belong in jail.  If they followed people into the capitol building they did belong in jail.  Like I said.  They shoulda shot the first 1/2 dozen and it would have all been over.

Thats where my head is at...

Its too broad of a brush to say everyone pardoned is a victim. There were crimes committed and justice needs to be served for assaulting police.

[badgervike]

The crossed the castle walls. Fk em. They should have been shot.  

I do think lives were at risk. There’s certainly cops who died or had life changing injuries.  Had Nancy or Pence for that matter walked out I’m sure some nutbar would have killed them. 

Nothing good came from all of it that’s for sure.

They did cross the line and many were imprisoned...unlike the overwhelming majority of the BLM protests or CHOP occupation or the Occupation of the WI State Capitol here in Madison which had no arrests.  We have a number of instances of protests spilling into the Capitol and on to the Capitol floor while in session.  There was never any harm to the Congress members.  The provided timestamped video shows the floor was emptied before the Capitol was breached.  Any claims by Pelosi et al to the contrary were done for political gain and have been disproven by the video.  Most of the protesters were overcharged significantly particularly in the context of the mostly peaceful protests.  Many were held in solitary without bail.  Some were held without charges.  Many of those "assault" charges were for things like rocking the metal barrier and causing bruising or cuts or officers that were touched or contacted as the crowd surged.  Possession of a deadly weapon was expanded to include carrying flags and signs.  Most of those charged with Felony Trespassing, as Jimmy stated, looked like they were on a tour with Capitol officers standing down and asking the protesters to be respectful.

I don't condone any of this nonsense but it has to be put in perspective.  Most of the J6 protesters lost everything defending themselves from these over charges.  How does the treatment of these protesters compare to other protesters?  It's really not even close.  The DOJ called the investigation / charges a "Shock and Awe" campaign.

This is nowhere near the worst incident at the Capitol as people have claimed.  There are quite a few but certainly the Puerto Rican Nationalists who opened fire on Congress from the gallery wounding 5 comes to mind.  Fun fact...Jimmy Carter pardoned them.  The shooter that breached the White House gate and killed two Secret Service officers also come to mind.  We had abortion protesters flood the floor of the Capitol...with signage...which is evidently a Felony weapon possession.  Were they charged with the same felonies the Jan 6th protesters were?  Of course not..and Congressional members were actually there.

I still believe that some of them shouldn't have been paroled / commuted but given the above...I can understand the mindset.  Hopefully some people like the Proud Boy leader have a long parole and restraining order.  I hope they were the ones that had their sentences commuted instead of pardoned so they can be monitored going forward.  

Or do you believe they shouldn't have been pardoned and the Justice Department should provide the same level of resources and the same level of scrutiny for the Dobbs protesters or BLM protesters or WI Capital or CHOP or....  

And by the way, Biden is still the pardoner in chief with 2600 pardons on his watch...in a single four year term.  He beats all the 8 year term Presidents by a lot though Trump made a big jump with the J6 protesters.

My read is if you make a conscious decision to hold these protesters to a different level and paint an aggressive broad brush in prosecution...you shouldn't be surprised to have a broad brush reaction.

Edit: I just saw that those who had their sentences commuted are subject to restraining orders and parole.

[Waterboy]

It's not my dream.

I don't think I could survive the packs of drooling drones empowering our treasonous "main" parties. They've certainly elected absolute junk for several administrations, now....

It doesn't change the fact of how well you articulate your views and the "potential" you have / had.

[badgervike]

Come on man.  Be better.  We don't need to name call to make a point and yes, I've done name called plenty myself.  I'm working on it.  Name calling from both sides is just getting exhausting. I deleted Reddit the other day because of how toxic its become.  If it wasn't for family on Facebook I'd do the same with it. 

Jimmy, back on topic.  If there were legitimate people who did not show up to the capitol that day then they didn't belong in jail.  If they followed people into the capitol building they did belong in jail.  Like I said.  They shoulda shot the first 1/2 dozen and it would have all been over.

Seriously?  Where does it stop?  Every time code pink stands up to protest...do we have snipers in the balcony to take them out?

[AGRforever]

Seriously?  Where does it stop?  Every time code pink stands up to protest...do we have snipers in the balcony to take them out?

If code pink crosses the police line at the capitol? Yes.  Snipers should take 'em out.

[badgervike]

If code pink crosses the police line at the capitol? Yes.  Snipers should take 'em out.

Sound a lot like Tianamen Square to me.

So..we should have shot up the Dobbs protesters...both at the Capital and the Supreme Court building?  Why limit it to the Capital?  How about shooting up the BLM protesters who committed numerous crimes?  CHOP.  Those that occupied the police station?

Again, according to the timestamped video...all the Congress members and staff had moved to safety prior to the breach of the Capital so nobody was in danger.  That's why the Capital police handled it accordingly at some point and simply moderated traffic.  It's just a building at that point...as was the Wisconsin Capital building (although the Governor and Legislature were in the building)..as was...

There are police at the entrances every day so should every protest should be met with gunfire as they crossed a police line?  Doesn't seem like America to me.

I listened to one of the protesters who was pardoned.  He was charged with 4 misdemeanors and was scheduled to be sentenced today.  His crime?  He came in well after the first wave and stepped just through the entrance and took a selfie before leaving.  Should we have mowed him down too?  

We have a proud history of exercise of speech in this Country.  Here in Madison, we exercise it regularly.  In fact, the local event magazine has a category for "War and Protests". Not sure I want to see it any other way in spite of the very divided nation.