Ya Let’s hold off on that Kevin O’Connell contract extension

[DH11]

Yeah, at some point if your quarterback is struggling, it’s on the head coach to call some different plays possibly some three step drops. How about a few hot reads once in a while it looked to me every pass there were three wide receivers & the tight end 15 to 20 yards downfield you just can’t win in the NFL like that you have to hot reads. Kfan now taking KOC to task and they are completely correct he was horrible these past 2 games.

[supafreak84]

Yeah, at some point if your quarterback is struggling, it’s on the head coach to call some different plays possibly some three step drops. How about a few hot reads once in a while it looked to me every pass there were three wide receivers & the tight end 15 to 20 yards downfield you just can’t win in the NFL like that you have to hot reads. Kfan now taking KOC to task and they are completely correct he was horrible these past 2 games.

Who is taking him to task on KFAN?

[JimmyinSD]

Who is taking him to task on KFAN?

I heard it as i came home,  maybe siefert?  I dont listen enough anymore to recognize most voices,   but the end of the first half with going for it on 4th down and giving tbe rams the short field.  Should have punted to the rams,  pining them deep with only 1 timeout left l, instead the field position  allowed them to go up by multiple scores was pretty dumb.  Also taking not using a time out in the late 3rd early 4th.

The going for it or not is a head scratcher sometimes for me,  why when the O is a mess does he try instead of punting and working to halftime,  hes done it several times this year and it usually bites him in the ass.

[comet52]

I'm without a doubt the worst individual game predictor on the board....uncannily bad actually. Consistently. Feeling mostly unconfident about Minnesota's chances tonight but that's mostly due to the egg laying by the offense last week in Detroit. Hoping for the best:

Los Angeles 31, Minnesota 20. 

So what is KOC supposed to do here when he tells Sam what to do and he shits himself? From Mike Silver, The Athletic:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6060488...-oconnell/

What he should have done is put Mullens in. It couldn't be much worse, it might have even been better. Sam had no chance, zero, zip, nada to win that game. Nick might just have completed some simple throws, released the ball quickly, given the team a glimmer of hope--basic QB stuff that broken-brain Sam couldn't.

What I want to know is, if KOC is really the "QB whisperer" then what did he whisper in Sam's ear the last two games? Sam completely lost his head, he looked like a high school kid out among men.

[hogjowlsjohnny]

Yeah, at some point if your quarterback is struggling, it’s on the head coach to call some different plays possibly some three step drops. How about a few hot reads once in a while it looked to me every pass there were three wide receivers & the tight end 15 to 20 yards downfield you just can’t win in the NFL like that you have to hot reads. Kfan now taking KOC to task and they are completely correct he was horrible these past 2 games.

You are watching a different game than I am. There were plays to be made, Darnold didn't make them.

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What he should have done is put Mullens in.  It couldn't be much worse, it might have even been better.  Sam had no chance, zero, zip, nada to win that game.  Nick might just have completed some simple throws, released the ball quickly, given the team a glimmer of hope--basic QB stuff that broken-brain Sam couldn't. 

What I want to know is, if KOC is really the "QB whisperer" then what did he whisper in Sam's ear the last two games?  Sam completely lost his head, he looked like a high school kid out among men.

So I guess that is KOC's fault?

[comet52]

You are watching a different game than I am. There were plays to be made, Darnold didn't make them.

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So I guess that is KOC's fault?

I asked the question, I didn't provide the answer because I don't know. But all year long the credit was going to KOC for taking a guy who looked like shit for 6 years and maxing him out. So does he bear any responsibility when the guy turns back into a pumpkin in the 2 games that matter the most?

[MaroonBells]

I asked the question, I didn't provide the answer because I don't know.  But all year long the credit was going to KOC for taking a guy who looked like shit for 6 years and maxing him out.  So does he bear any responsibility when the guy turns back into a pumpkin in the 2 games that matter the most?

KOC took Sam to be a bridge QB and paid him bridge money. Through his coaching, his offense and our weapons, Sam exploded, throwing for 4300 yards, 35 TDs and 12 INTs, winning 14 games, while his passer rating dropped below 100 in only 4 of 17 games. He won more games than this franchise has won in its 63 year history. About three times as many games as you predicted, by the way. He deserves a lot of credit for that. But it sounds like you're saying that after watching 16 games of Pro Bowl level QB play, KOC should've just known Sam was going to shit the bed in games 17 and 18. Ridiculous. 

But do I think KOC is blameless in what happened in Detroit and LA? No I don't. By the time the little headset scenario played out, we'd already given up 6 sacks. Why are we still dropping straight back and going deep? There's just not enough time. No Darrisaw, no O'Neill. And Sam is a shell. By that point the game probably should've changed. Rollouts, max protects, quick slants, I don't know, he's the OC.

[comet52]

KOC took Sam to be a bridge QB and paid him bridge money. Through his coaching, his offense and our weapons, Sam exploded, throwing for 4300 yards, 35 TDs and 12 INTs, winning 14 games, while his passer rating dropped below 100 in only 4 of 17 games. He won more games than this franchise has won in its 63 year history. About three times as many games as you predicted, by the way. He deserves a lot of credit for that. But it sounds like you're saying that after watching 16 games of Pro Bowl level QB play, KOC should've just known Sam was going to shit the bed in games 17 and 18. Ridiculous. 

But do I think KOC is blameless in what happened in Detroit and LA? No I don't. By the time the little headset scenario played out, we'd already given up 6 sacks. Why are we still dropping straight back and going deep? There's just not enough time. No Darrisaw, no O'Neill. And Sam is a shell. By that point the game probably should've changed. Rollouts, max protects, quick slants, I don't know, he's the OC.

You're just making stuff up about me as usual. I predicted 6-7 wins, which was reasonable if Sam Darnold played all year long like he did in the last 2 games. So the coach gets credit for getting more out of a guy I certainly didn't believe in. But I never became a Sam Darnold believer regardless, because I saw how much he was getting away with all year long, including one of the highest turnover-worthy play rates in the league. To me this was Case Keenum part deux, a guy playing above his career averages and getting a lot of luck.

And yeah, the coach did a lot to keep him from melting down mentally which was his m.o. for 6 years until those last two games. Which is all I'm asking and all I said, despite you needing to make up stuff I didn't say and attribute it to me which is just.. weird. Why did he collapse again in the biggest games, the ones that really mattered? Was it KOC that collapsed and it rubbed off on Sam? Again, I don't know. I'm just asking.

And frankly I don't care, because I don't want Sam Darnold leading this team any more than I wanted Case Keenum back in 2018. I want to see what JJ McCarthy can do and if we've finally found a real franchise qb who can elevate the team and take it to a SB. Something we haven't had around here in 50 years.

[StickierBuns]

The fact that some fans will be disappointed when KOC gets an extension is mind blowing, lol. Sometimes you just can't with these takes.....

[medaille]

There’s probably like 5 people who are going to be upset when KOC gets resigned. It’s not a real big subset of fans. Just because people can see that KOC got outcoached in all four Lions and Rams games, doesn’t mean they’re ready to toss him into the sun.

He just needs to get better, and he’s probably our best option to become the guy that’s good enough.