Greenberg: Vikings should trade McCarthy

[comet52]

Sometimes I think that the whole sports media operation is in it to sustain itself with these ridiculous takes. Just create a feeding frenzy of outrageous takes that each can either comment on or just see who can push narratives that create engagement without really believing what they are saying. The ol' 'wink-wink' they know will rile up the lowest common denominators of social media for those views and clicks. This week have given me two examples of media members I didn't expect to stoop into the mire: Jay Glazer and now Mike Greenberg. Disappointing.

There isn't enough actual news to sustain a 24 hour news, and now social media information cycle. So now 90% of what's out there is manufactured bullshit, which gets recycled in an endless grade school game of "pass it on".

I noticed it years ago, before social media really took off, when guys on ESPN (back when I actually paid for cable LOL) would sit around and discuss what other guys on ESPN had said about some topic. That was kinda the point at which I checked out on their sports media circle jerk.

[medaille]

I think it’s also that real journalism takes time and effort, but audiences don’t really care about real information, because the things that they actually look at our click on are just things that innately make them react strongly. Why have a professional researcher spend time and effort trying to track someone down and have a real discussion with them, when you can just have AI or an intern speculate and offer an opinion that half your audience is going to take out of context and get pissed off about, and the other half feels like they have to throw their opinion into the ring on the matter.

[comet52]

I think it’s also that real journalism takes time and effort, but audiences don’t really care about real information, because the things that they actually look at our click on are just things that innately make them react strongly. Why have a professional researcher spend time and effort trying to track someone down and have a real discussion with them, when you can just have AI or an intern speculate and offer an opinion that half your audience is going to take out of context and get pissed off about, and the other half feels like they have to throw their opinion into the ring on the matter.

And that's the underlying sickness that is so corrosive. The reactionary stance that so many people take, some without thought, some to manipulate the other reactionaries. It's total dysfunction.

At this point anything I read or hear that seems designed to enlicit some emotional response, particularly "outrage", I question. Or ignore.

[MaroonBells]

Sometimes I think that the whole sports media operation is in it to sustain itself with these ridiculous takes. Just create a feeding frenzy of outrageous takes that each can either comment on or just see who can push narratives that create engagement without really believing what they are saying. The ol' 'wink-wink' they know will rile up the lowest common denominators of social media for those views and clicks. This week have given me two examples of media members I didn't expect to stoop into the mire: Jay Glazer and now Mike Greenberg. Disappointing.

The idea that the Vikings "should" trade JJ McCarthy is not a ridiculous or outrageous take. It's just an opinion, and one others have expressed, too. I disagree with it. You disagree with it. But Greenberg is welcome to it. And if he says it on camera, it's fair to post that on Twitter. 

What IS ridiculous and outrageous is re-writing the lede to say that Mike Greenberg thinks the Vikings "will look to trade" JJ McCarthy, which is what Pat Macafee's tweet said, even using quotation marks. And then that was repeated in a Tweet by SkorNorth I saw this morning: "ESPN's Mike Greenberg believes the Minnesota Vikings 'will look to trade' JJ McCarthy this offseason."

Greenberg never says that. Not once. Unless it was said outside of what was in the video, but I doubt it. It's this distortion of the truth that drives me crazy.

[Waterboy]

Mike Greenberg is a pretty smart guy, but this is not his best moment. I agree that the Vikings should explore the possibility of keeping Darnold, in whatever shape or form that takes. And I don't agree with some of the responses to this thread who think the Detroit game nixed that idea. It really should not have much of an impact on that decision.

I just think a lot of these talking heads have not paid much attention to the cap picture Kwesi has been carefully crafting since he came on board. The Vikings may extend Darnold, they may tag him, but the are absolutely not giving up JJ McCarthy before he's even thrown a pass in an NFL game....even for a top 10 pick. 

And if it comes down to one or the other, and if KOC thinks it's close at all between the two (and I suspect it is), then the Vikings are going to choose the $4M salary over the $40M salary. 

Greenberg is an asshat airbag.  Technically, he may be smart.  There are a lot of people that are smart.  He's not one I want to listen to in any capacity.

[medaille]

Going by what he actually said, which was he thinks JJM is the clear #1 QB if he were in this draft and that the Vikings should trade JJM for a top 10 pick. We were talking about trading for the 3rd best QB in the draft last year, and the trade packages being tossed around were massive just to swap firsts. We lined up two firsts in 2024 and that wasn’t enough. JJM was a top 10 pick. Then, JJM spent a year at QBU. Assuming he can pass a physical, I don’t think a top 10 pick cuts it here. I think we’d have to be much more in the territory of trading multiple firsts and seconds. I think 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and some other pick would have to be the starting point for the best QB in the draft. But I still think that the Vikings need to end up with the better of the two QBs more than they need to worry about draft compensation.

If JJM has a reasonable chance of being Josh Allen, which is a tier above Darnold, I think you owe it to yourself to wait it out a year, especially for a single first which would has maybe like a 40% chance of busting. You’re probably getting a very similar trade package next year as you would to this year.

[pattersaur]

Going by what he actually said, which was he thinks JJM is the clear #1 QB if he were in this draft and that the Vikings should trade JJM for a top 10 pick.  We were talking about trading for the 3rd best QB in the draft last year, and the trade packages being tossed around were massive just to swap firsts.  We lined up two firsts in 2024 and that wasn’t enough.  JJM was a top 10 pick.  Then, JJM spent a year at QBU.  Assuming he can pass a physical, I don’t think a top 10 pick cuts it here.  I think we’d have to be much more in the territory of trading multiple firsts and seconds.  I think 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and some other pick would have to be the starting point for the best QB in the draft.  But I still think that the Vikings need to end up with the better of the two QBs more than they need to worry about draft compensation.

If JJM has a reasonable chance of being Josh Allen, which is a tier above Darnold, I think you owe it to yourself to wait it out a year, especially for a single first which would has maybe like a 40% chance of busting.  You’re probably getting a very similar trade package next year as you would to this year.

Agreed, if they can get a haul and they see him as Darnold but cheaper, you consider it because additional picks would offset the larger % of cap the QB takes up. But if they think his ceiling is higher than Darnold's, which they probably do, then keep him for sure unless it's an historic fleecing.

[Canthony]

Agreed, if they can get a haul and they see him as Darnold but cheaper, you consider it because additional picks would offset the larger % of cap the QB takes up. But if they think his ceiling is higher than Darnold's, which they probably do, then keep him for sure unless it's an historic fleecing.

What you see is what you get with Darnold. This is his ceiling. JJ coming out had the highest ceiling out of the QBs but the lowest floor. Darnold has been off on his throws for over a month. Winning masked that. We have WRs that can make up for that as well. JJ is 21 and with KOC, the sky is the limit.