Who ever wins the election, will have an economy tailwind

[purplefaithful]

It will be far more like headwinds than tailwinds.

Inflation is enemy #1.

Prices for basics are just too high for much of the country...Target sounded the alarm bells today, discretionary spending isn't there and thats their bread/butter not groceries (i.e. Walmart). 

Inflation has cooled, but prices are not rolling back for the most part. It will take years for compensation/income to catch-up with how prices have increased. 

I dont expect ANY of the mfgrs/retailers to take a hit to margin and roll back on their own. 

Hell, I was in a hurry and swung by McDonalds yesterday. I could have gotten a value meal for $5, but instead ordered a Fillet O Fish + Small Fry + bottled water. 

Cost?

$11.72

[Zanary]

It's going to get more brutal as the "tough tariffs" hit, because the penalties hit the consumers very hard...says essentially every economist.

Any progress/concessions take months if not longer, meanwhile the everyday shoppers are fiscally molested until things change.

It's still a legit strategy, but anyone thinking the bleeding will just suddenly slow/stop are tragically naive.

[Waterboy]

Inflation is enemy #1.

Prices for basics are just too high for much of the country...Target sounded the alarm bells today, discretionary spending isn't there and thats their bread/butter not groceries (i.e. Walmart). 

Inflation has cooled, but prices are not rolling back for the most part. It will take years for compensation/income to catch-up with how prices have increased. 

I dont expect ANY of the mfgrs/retailers to take a hit to margin and roll back on their own. 

Hell, I was in a hurry and swung by McDonalds yesterday. I could have gotten a value meal for $5, but instead ordered a Fillet O Fish + Small Fry + bottled water. 

Cost?

$11.72

Don't disagree with much of what you're saying.   All Biden did was print money, consumers ran up debt, and the price increases boomed hard and fast to catch up.  Then it slowed, mostly because it had to.  Inflationary pressures due to energy, supply chain, etc. are still there, but the boom in inflation simply got us mostly whole so that we shouldn't see a surge but a proportionate progression.  The underlying fundamentals still must be addressed that will most likely result in a slow-down of the economy.  I do think optimism is a large part of the story, and I think people have faith that Trump's lower energy prices, and maybe even ability to create a larger export market could ultimately lead to smaller stabilized growth, but it's a fine line.   Biden should be court-martialed and sentenced to life in front of a firing squad, but that's a story for another day.  (I guess more so those that advised / purposely fooled Biden)

[JimmyinSD]

Don't disagree with much of what you're saying.   All Biden did was print money, consumers ran up debt, and the price increases boomed hard and fast to catch up.  Then it slowed, mostly because it had to.  Inflationary pressures due to energy, supply chain, etc. are still there, but the boom in inflation simply got us mostly whole so that we shouldn't see a surge but a proportionate progression.  The underlying fundamentals still must be addressed that will most likely result in a slow-down of the economy.  I do think optimism is a large part of the story, and I think people have faith that Trump's lower energy prices, and maybe even ability to create a larger export market could ultimately lead to smaller stabilized growth, but it's a fine line.   Biden should be court-martialed and sentenced to life in front of a firing squad, but that's a story for another day.  (I guess more so those that advised / purposely fooled Biden)

It wasnt biden,  he was just the pitchman,  if you want to pass judgement..then make it on those really in charge,  sure as fuck wasnt biden or harris.  Hell people like to put obama into that mix,  i dont think hes much more than a foot soldier for the debacle and destruction of the US under the biden administration.

[BigAl99]

It wasnt biden,  he was just the pitchman,  if you want to pass judgement..then make it in those really in charge,  sure as fuck wasnt biden or harris.  Hell people like to put obama into that mix,  i dont think hes much more than a foot soldier for the debacle and destruction of the US under the biden administration.

Okay, who was or is in charge of this nefarious grand plan?  Enlighten me, Soros perhaps, wasn't the Kochs or Musk.  Who or what group am I unaware of or following.  Should I follow the money trail, perhaps?  Help me out, when Biden took office I couldn't buy toilet paper or bleach, let alone go out to dinner. There was also a lot of people in my demographic dying.  Give me a cogent explanation of who these powerful puppet masters are, I want to know.

[JimmyinSD]

Okay, who was or is in charge of this nefarious grand plan?  Enlighten me, Soros perhaps, wasn't the Kochs or Musk.  Who or what group am I unaware of or following.  Should I follow the money trail, perhaps?  Help me out, when Biden took office I couldn't buy toilet paper or bleach, let alone go out to dinner. There was also a lot of people in my demographic dying.  Give me a cogent explanation of who these powerful puppet masters are, I want to know.

And why couldnt you do those things or buy those products.... Trump and most republicans were urging people to get back to work  in early spring prior to the election,  why was it that the democrat states kept pushing ineffective mandates and lockdowns?  Yes follow the money,  but dont forget the money to be made by controlling our branches of govt.  And this last part isnt a partisan statement,  there is an aweful stench of corruption surrounding the rinos as well.

[BigAl99]

And why couldnt you do those things or buy those products.... Trump and most republicans were urging people to get back to work  in early spring prior to the election,  why was it that the democrat states kept pushing ineffective mandates and lockdowns?  Yes follow the money,  but dont forget the money to be made by controlling our branches of govt.  And this last part isnt a partisan statement,  there is an aweful stench of corruption surrounding the rinos as well.

No one could, our supply chain had failed, all before Biden became president.  While we were waiting for the "Kung foo flu" to be overwith by spring.

Back to my question, who has been pulling the strings?  BLM leader's

[Waterboy]

It wasnt biden,  he was just the pitchman,  if you want to pass judgement..then make it on those really in charge,  sure as fuck wasnt biden or harris.  Hell people like to put obama into that mix,  i dont think hes much more than a foot soldier for the debacle and destruction of the US under the biden administration.

That's a great clarification Jimmy.  I'm using him figuratively as a symbol of who was supposedly running the show.  We all know it wasn't him.

[JimmyinSD]

No one could, our supply chain had failed, all before Biden became president.  While we were waiting for the "Kung foo flu" to be overwith by spring.

Back to my question, who has been pulling the strings?  BLM leader's

We were going out to eat by spring/early summer, if you werent that was on you or your choice of where you lived.  The supply chain issues were largely caused by liberal states and their ridiculous extended mandates,  and media hyped insanity,  all parts of a set up to keep the sheep scared to allow for election manipulation IMO.  If you felt better and safer through all that... good for you, if you still think all that state overreach was in the best interest of the people.. well I am not sure what there is to say.

as far as the individuals,  I dont bother chasing the names as I have no way to act or use whatever/whoever I would find,  but I can say that those in DC arent the real cause,  they are merely the puppets,  the real smart power people know that the best way to keep their positions of power is to stay in the shadows,  use their billions to control some millionaire politicians to keep their cycle of wealth and control in place.  That is why Trump is such a threat,  he has shown that they cant control him.  That is why certain patriots have jumped party lines to back Trump,  and why certain shit stains (like the Cheney family) have done the opposite IMO.  

We have all kinds of people saying they want to see reform and change in our govt,  but when somebody bucks the political landscape, those same people drink the koolaid and line up against them.  History may prove me wrong here, but I am betting in 50 years that if we still have a country,  its survival or failure will stem back to the actions around the last 8 years and the next 4 to come.

feel free to disagree, and take points away from me,  I dont care,  but like I said,  this isnt partisan.. hell I lobby against Thune, Rounds, Johsnon, and Noem, have vote for Dems against them at times when the Dems actually line up a real challenger.  I see the corruption on both sides of the aisle, and while Trump is far from a perfect candidate, I see him as the best option at the time to send a big middle finger to those that are buying control of our country through our electoral process and owning politicians.  Even though there was an R next to his name,  Trump was hardly representing the big money that has controlled the Rs and Ds for the last several decades IMO.   

You said it yourself,  follow the money,  who profited most from covid and our mess of a medical system, big pharma and others,  who benefits from the endless string of wars and conflicts our country funds and gets involved in... the military complex,  nearly everything that happens through our govt either with laws, presidential orders, or simply shit adopted by the endless string of govt agencies, works against the average American worker and to the benefit of some mega money company/industry,  if something does happen to benefit the working class... well that is just coincidental to the real money being made by some corporation or investment group.

If Trump does nothing more than cause more shake up in the traditional 2 party system... then its a win for America, if he can accomplish much of anything he says he will do, then its just that much better for us all, whether we realize or will acknowledge it, or not.

[BigAl99]

We were going out to eat by spring/early summer, if you werent that was on you or your choice of where you lived.  The supply chain issues were largely caused by liberal states and their ridiculous extended mandates,  and media hyped insanity,  all parts of a set up to keep the sheep scared to allow for election manipulation IMO.  If you felt better and safer through all that... good for you, if you still think all that state overreach was in the best interest of the people.. well I am not sure what there is to say.

as far as the individuals,  I dont bother chasing the names as I have no way to act or use whatever/whoever I would find,  but I can say that those in DC arent the real cause,  they are merely the puppets,  the real smart power people know that the best way to keep their positions of power is to stay in the shadows,  use their billions to control some millionaire politicians to keep their cycle of wealth and control in place.  That is why Trump is such a threat,  he has shown that they cant control him.  That is why certain patriots have jumped party lines to back Trump,  and why certain shit stains (like the Cheney family) have done the opposite IMO.  

We have all kinds of people saying they want to see reform and change in our govt,  but when somebody bucks the political landscape, those same people drink the koolaid and line up against them.  History may prove me wrong here, but I am betting in 50 years that if we still have a country,  its survival or failure will stem back to the actions around the last 8 years and the next 4 to come.

feel free to disagree, and take points away from me,  I dont care,  but like I said,  this isnt partisan.. hell I lobby against Thune, Rounds, Johsnon, and Noem, have vote for Dems against them at times when the Dems actually line up a real challenger.  I see the corruption on both sides of the aisle, and while Trump is far from a perfect candidate, I see him as the best option at the time to send a big middle finger to those that are buying control of our country through our electoral process and owning politicians.  Even though there was an R next to his name,  Trump was hardly representing the big money that has controlled the Rs and Ds for the last several decades IMO.   

You said it yourself,  follow the money,  who profited most from covid and our mess of a medical system, big pharma and others,  who benefits from the endless string of wars and conflicts our country funds and gets involved in... the military complex,  nearly everything that happens through our govt either with laws, presidential orders, or simply shit adopted by the endless string of govt agencies, works against the average American worker and to the benefit of some mega money company/industry,  if something does happen to benefit the working class... well that is just coincidental to the real money being made by some corporation or investment group.

If Trump does nothing more than cause more shake up in the traditional 2 party system... then its a win for America, if he can accomplish much of anything he says he will do, then its just that much better for us all, whether we realize or will acknowledge it, or not.

I guess that say's it all.  Enjoy that SD cuisine and fine dining.  Points are just rent in low cost housing.
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