Telling Me You Are Going To Rig The Election, Without Saying The Words....

[JimmyinSD]

I don’t see any need for expanded mail in voting.  Many other ways to address any need for all voters to be able to vote that are much more secure.

you are right, what I meant to say was expanded voter access.

[badgervike]

but that election was on the up and up....

And of all the things that were challenged in court who TF missed this?  Is it significant, or does it mean anything other than rural cheesheads are convinced of another specious conspiracy.

but that election was on the up and up....

[Zanary]

Looks like the nonsense continues with the counting of illegal ballots in the Pennsylvania Senate election.  In spite of the Pennsylvania Supreme Court affirming election rules on signatures and dates, the Election officials in liberal areas are defiantly counting illegal ballots to try to make up the deficit in that election.  The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is 5-2 Liberal btw.

From the Washington Post:
Bucks County Commissioner Diane Ellis-Marseglia, a Democrat, offered this breathtaking rationalization on Thursday: “I think we all know that precedent by a court doesn’t matter anymore in this country,” she said, according to the Philadelphia Inquirer. “People violate laws anytime they want. So, for me, if I violate this law, it’s because I want a court to pay attention. There’s nothing more important than counting votes.”

As discussed earlier in this thread, this was the same illegal curing/counting of ballots in liberal counties in WI from 2020.  The big difference...the liberal counties didn't come out and admit they were cheating and didn't wait for a recount creating more scrutiny.  

Anybody still want to claim there is NO evidence of fraud or attempted fraud?



Same stuff from WI in 2020 with the "Every (Democratic) vote must be counted!"

I don't think anyone claims no hijinks were going on, at least no one aware that our political processes are always ugly and suspect. I just dismiss that anything happened at the scale orange boi insists, because his "accuracy" is further out than Dr. Who travels.

What I will say, per many confirmations despite the disproven babble of our returning liar-in-chief, that after investigations including those by "friendly" judges, etc, the widespread "steal" was bullshit, spread by bullshitters, determined to chirp known bullshit sprayed from a lifelong bullshit artist.

I can't fathom people wanting to roll around and smear that all over themselves for years, but...I genuinely don't fathom "main party" voters, something I've said clearly and consistently. No, badger, that doesn't mean "pro dnc", so continue to smear that bullshit on yourself only, leaving me out of your strange delusions.

The incoming cabinet already has red flags fluttering, and giving Musk his "efficiency" post basically just hands him easier access to government contracts, despite what should be obvious conflicts of interest. Hey, we're dealing with two shit-talkers who stomp and whine whenever rules inconvenience them, so the alliance is hardly surprising.

[Waterboy]

I don't think anyone claims no hijinks were going on, at least no one aware that our political processes are always ugly and suspect. I just dismiss that anything happened at the scale orange boi insists, because his "accuracy" is further out than Dr. Who travels.

What I will say, per many confirmations despite the disproven babble of our returning liar-in-chief, that after investigations including those by "friendly" judges, etc, the widespread "steal" was bullshit, spread by bullshitters, determined to chirp known bullshit sprayed from a lifelong bullshit artist.

I can't fathom people wanting to roll around and smear that all over themselves for years, but...I genuinely don't fathom "main party" voters, something I've said clearly and consistently. No, badger, that doesn't mean "pro dnc", so continue to smear that bullshit on yourself only, leaving me out of your strange delusions.

The incoming cabinet already has red flags fluttering, and giving Musk his "efficiency" post basically just hands him easier access to government contracts, despite what should be obvious conflicts of interest. Hey, we're dealing with two shit-talkers who stomp and whine whenever rules inconvenience them, so the alliance is hardly surprising.

Well, there sure did seem to be a whole lotta votes less than the last election, a whole lot less votes counted in the swing states (after midnight), and an effort by the Democrats to load the swing states with illegals.  Maybe it all isn't as rigged as it appears to be, but I'm not sure the guy who has to use the bullshit word four times in one sentence to try to make his point is the person to spread that message.  Your view and way of expressing it seems far more deranged than the claim itself.

[badgervike]

The incoming cabinet already has red flags fluttering, and giving Musk his "efficiency" post basically just hands him easier access to government contracts, despite what should be obvious conflicts of interest. Hey, we're dealing with two shit-talkers who stomp and whine whenever rules inconvenience them, so the alliance is hardly surprising.

Huh?  What contracts will they just "give" Musk?  I think it's fair to say the $7500 incentive for EVs is going away and I doubt very much the US government will be purchasing EVs at the same rate they were (all vehicles) with the new Administration so it's likely a negative for Musk at Tesla.  The one exception to that would be if the Feds greenlit autonomous vehicles which would be a short term boon to Tesla (and others such as Waymo).

SpaceX will likely get a bigger piece of the launch pie in the future...but that isn't based on influence but instead performance.  There's talk of Boeing selling off their space launch business to cover their losses.  The government likes to have options so I'm guessing they'll maintain both contracts but lean even heavier on SpaceX which has proved to be cost effective and reliable.

The government already has a fleet of Starlink receivers for disaster relief.  About all they could do is continue with the rural access funding which does help subsidize Starlink purchases.

I'm not even sure if the Boring company still exists.

If Musk were worried about padding his bottom line would he be teaming up with a guy who owns a competing product to Twitter?  He'd be doing everything possible to defeat Trump...and subsequently reduce the impact of Truth social.

Musk's politics will eventually get him in trouble with his shareholders...but right now, they're still making money and not making a fuss.

Again, not sure how any of this will be a big windfall for Musk except for stroking his ego.  

The real question for you is that you have railed for years against the traitorous two party system that has run up debt and is beholden to the Pharmaceuticals.  They're finally doing something about it with the DOGE and with Kennedy at HHS...and you're unhappy?  This small government guy is happy to have someone actually trying to be small government.  Will they succeed?  I don't know..but I know the alternative wasn't about small government.

Musk and Ramaswamy are outside consultants only so they'll make recommendations only.  Not sure how that's a conflict of interest?

[purplefaithful]

Tesla has such a lead in EV mkt share + they can build them for less $$ than others, that the credit could actually give him a larger mkt share and some additional scale efficiencies. The credit it could be argued helped level the BEV playing field a bit.

That said, I am for open mkt and let the peoples decide what they want.

I think PHEV is going to continue to grow while BEV languishes - at least till prices come down, range is up and infrastructure improves (greatly).

[badgervike]

Tesla has such a lead in EV mkt share + they can build them for less $$ than others, that the credit could actually give him a larger mkt share and some additional scale efficiencies. The credit it could be argued helped level the BEV playing field a bit.

That said, I am for open mkt and let the peoples decide what they want.

I think PHEV is going to continue to grow while BEV languishes - at least till prices come down, range is up and infrastructure improves (greatly).

The credit will go away under Trump.  That's why I said it was a negative to Musk.  It's likely that less EVs will be sold.

The Chinese have a few fairly minimalist $10000 EVs...low on vehicle tech but integrated tech has appeal to the younger crowd (and should scare everybody in the US should they ever be sold here due to almost certain info gathering.  I'd love to see Musk work down the supply chain and introduce a sub $20,000 EV...maybe even under a different brand.  Current EVs are expensive...and even more so if you have to supplement the range with another vehicle. I was at the Automotive Testing Expo 3 weeks ago and the Automotive Market in general is in a severe down cycle right now. They spent lots of money on EVs...only to find out they couldn't sell them. Lots of money spent, inventory sitting in lots and no clear direction on tariffs, regulations, etc. Most are moving back to traditional internal combustion vehicles or as you said some combo of such as PHEV.

[Zanary]

Musk's car biz is barely a hobby, and the build quality among other issues was far more about hype than about reality. More vaporware for the vapor-minded.

He can elbow his way past Bezos, NASA, and others for space and tech contracts, misusing his power and early access the same way our "representatives" turn a 6-digit paycheck into 8-digit incomes. In his case, it's about power and feeling big...like I said, two of a kind.

DOCTOR. F**KING OZ. SERIOUSLY?!!?!?

A damned muppet would be more useful and honest...!!

[badgervike]

Musk's car biz is barely a hobby, and the build quality among other issues was far more about hype than about reality. More vaporware for the vapor-minded.

He can elbow his way past Bezos, NASA, and others for space and tech contracts, misusing his power and early access the same way our "representatives" turn a 6-digit paycheck into 8-digit incomes. In his case, it's about power and feeling big...like I said, two of a kind.

DOCTOR. F**KING OZ. SERIOUSLY?!!?!?

A damned muppet would be more useful and honest...!!

Tesla accounts for 3/4 of Musk's net worth...so hardly "barely a hobby"

[Zanary]

Tesla accounts for 3/4 of Musk's net worth...so hardly "barely a hobby"

He'll get more than that if his various space and communications endeavors are suddenly smoothed by his new station. His car stock was diving, today, and they've had nothing, really, aside from that roadster that's in orbit, and years since its concept debut. Well, there's that godawful Etch-a-Sketch refugee "Cybertruck"...but, those are more of a matter of ridicule than anything, now. Their performance testing was, again, vaporware, they aren't nearly as good off road, and the "early orderers" are losing tons trying to flip them.

Their build quality, shortcomings in range, and frankly challenged aesthetics are very real issues. Helly, even the Hyundia/Kia electric stuff is better looking, less expensive, and much better value.