RUMOR: Bear's players asking coaches to bench Caleb Williams

[purplefaithful]

Chicago Bears - the dirtiest of hands...

Wasn't he handed the starting job before ota's or tc? Eberflus is as much to blame as their former OC who's counting his severance $$

There were games he's dropped back 50+ times this year. What a cluster. 

[StickierBuns]

Interesting:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...rs-ruined/

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/11/15...uarterback

[hogjowlsjohnny]

Interesting:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/20...rs-ruined/

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/11/15...uarterback

Thanks sticky. That ringer article is a great read. It also reinforces our idea that having a year to learn should be very beneficial for JJM.

[purplefaithful]

I agree, the Ringer article articulated the issues really well.

This stuck with me from that piece:

The most levelheaded take on this problem may have come from Vikings coach Kevin O’Connell, who is doing his best to revive Sam Darnold’s career after the quarterback experienced years of coaching malpractice. “I just think, as a whole, there’s not enough emphasis put on the organization’s role in the development of the [quarterback] position,” O’Connell told Rich Eisen in September. “I believe that organizations fail young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks fail organizations. … They need the support, they need the teammates around them, they need the systems in place to ultimately try to maximize who they are and what their potential is.”

I have a new appreciation for how JJM felt on draft day.

[comet52]

I watched the entire Bears/Packers game, Caleb looked a lot better today. The OC change agrees with him it seems.

[JimmyinSD]

Yes, that should be interesting. I think if John Randle were still playing Williams would probably start crying. But speaking of emotional instability, this is the worst thing that could've happened.

Imagine members of your team at work going to your bosses to tell them that you're shit at your job and should be replaced. That's crushing for anyone. Now imagine getting hit with that at 22. Now imagine your company is scrutinized by the media and all of this plays out in the public eye. You feel the stares in the parking lot, at the grocery store, the gas station....

This is why you have to be careful with putting these kids in before they're ready.

You and I preach this... why is this so fucking hard for people making millions and billions, to understand?  They are taking babies and putt8ng them in the coliseum with the gladiators and lions.  Give them a year to get the chaos and speed under control and see what youve got.

[MaroonBells]

I agree, the Ringer article articulated the issues really well.

This stuck with me from that piece:

The most levelheaded take on this problem may have come from Vikings coach Kevin O’Connell, who is doing his best to revive Sam Darnold’s career after the quarterback experienced years of coaching malpractice. “I just think, as a whole, there’s not enough emphasis put on the organization’s role in the development of the [quarterback] position,” O’Connell told Rich Eisen in September. “I believe that organizations fail young quarterbacks before young quarterbacks fail organizations. … They need the support, they need the teammates around them, they need the systems in place to ultimately try to maximize who they are and what their potential is.”

I have a new appreciation for how JJM felt on draft day.

That Vikings coach is right. I just remembered yesterday that Geno Smith started with the Jets too. Smith and Darnold are two of the highest rated QBs in the NFL right now. Both started with the Jets, were nearly ruined and left for dead. Sorta makes me wonder if Zach Wilson might not emerge somewhere in a couple years.

[purplefaithful]

That Vikings coach is right. I just remembered yesterday that Geno Smith started with the Jets too. Smith and Darnold are two of the highest rated QBs in the NFL right now. Both started with the Jets, were nearly ruined and left for dead. Sorta makes me wonder if Zach Wilson might not emerge somewhere in a couple years.

I think it might be too late for that guy. But I'd haVe probably said the same about Sam 7 years into it. 

And and I think Sam will get a nice contract from someone not named the Vikings. 

Time will tell - Wilson might be on the heap of 2.0 QB's looking for a new home with a better team that Sticky referenced in another thread.

[MaroonBells]

I think it might be too late for that guy. But I'd haVe probably said the same about Sam 7 years into it. 

And and I think Sam will get a nice contract from someone not named the Vikings. 

Time will tell - Wilson might be on the heap of 2.0 QB's looking for a new home with a better team that Sticky referenced in another thread.

As we watch Caleb Williams struggle, and after we watched Young, Richardson, Pickett, Fields and Levis struggle, it does make you wonder if a reclamation project like Sam, Goff, Russell, Baker or Geno might not be a better route for some teams than investing a 1st rounder in one, as long as you set them up with a good coach and some weapons to work with.

[purplefaithful]

As we watch Caleb Williams struggle, and after we watched Young, Richardson, Pickett, Fields and Levis struggle, it does make you wonder if a reclamation project like Sam, Goff, Russell, Baker or Geno might not be a better route for some teams than investing a 1st rounder in one, as long as you set them up with a good coach and some weapons to work with.

You may be right...I put Russell/Goff into another category though. Those guys were a lot more proven than a Fields or a Wilson.

The league has been around forever, its surprising it hasn't happened that much more frequently. I mean its happened a lot with vets over the decades, guys toward the latter part of their careers. 

But not a lot (that I recall) with these guys coming out of rook contracts - with the intent of rehabbing someone into a starter.