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I think it's hugely important for the future of this franchise that the Vikings somehow land their QBOTF in this draft. With that in mind, here's my investment risk tolerance for each.
Daniels or Maye - Willing to give up 11, 23, ’25 1st and change
McCarthy - Willing to give up 11, 23 and ’25 1st
Penix - At 11, keeping 23
Nix - At 23 (or later), keeping 11
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My hope is we can get what we need with 11 and 23. Use Darnold as an example. In 2018, the Jets moved up to pick him 3rd overall. Jackson went 32nd.
Two moths ago, I was hoping for JJM. Still am, but I would also be good with taking Penix at 11, and adding some size to the defensive line with 23.
The Penix thing may be the non-stop news cycle. I am starting to feel like I'm at a time-share seminar, and they're starting to wear me down.
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04-19-2024, 10:22 AM
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I'm in the same boat with Maye and to an extent Daniels. I'm fine giving up 11+23 and our 2025 1st round pick and adding some late Day 2 or Day 3 picks if needed. I really think their ceilings are high enough that it justifies the cost if they work out.
McCarthy, that's a little rich for me. If we're going to 5, 11+23 is already overpaying what would be the equivalent of a late 2nd round pick. I know the Chargers GM has stated they aren't interested in trading out for a fair trade, but I think 11+23 is an overpay that would get them to move. Maybe we throw in one of our 4ths this year to sweeten the pot, but that's about all I'd do and I'd want some late round picks back.
I'd be disappointed if we end up with Penix at 11. I'd prefer taking him or Nix at 23 (or later) if they last that far and grab a better player at 11. In that scenario, the top 4 QBs are gone, MHJ, Nabers, and Bowers are gone. Likely 2 of the tackles so we'd be looking at Odunze or an elite defensive prospect. I think you either take the pass rusher or trade back and accumulate picks this year or next year.
(04-19-2024, 10:16 AM)wiviking Wrote: My hope is we can get what we need with 11 and 23. Use Darnold as an example. In 2018, the Jets moved up to pick him 3rd overall. Jackson went 32nd.
Two moths ago, I was hoping for JJM. Still am, but I would also be good with taking Penix at 11, and adding some size to the defensive line with 23.
The Penix thing may be the non-stop news cycle. I am starting to feel like I'm at a time-share seminar, and they're starting to wear me down.
Stay strong brotha! Don't give in. :-)
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04-19-2024, 10:42 AM
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I'm not really sure. This QB class has been dissected probably more than any other in history thanks to the growing popularity of the NFL and the Draft, online sports information, cottage-industry online 'experts', tons of sports sites/resources that break down the draft prospects, etc. Literally every hour of every day there is new information on the Draft online. The microscope has never been more powerful and in that regard, probably extremely unfair to the prospects in some areas. You can literally change your mind day to day on these QBs.
What I know is a NFL QB makes or breaks the team for prolonged success. The idea is to have a guy good enough that you have a chance each year to compete at a higher level. The Vikings won't be operating in a vacuum, so its not completely up to them how this shakes out.
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Zero chance I give up the 2025 1st for any of the listed QB's. Far too many questions surround Maye, Daniels and especially McCarthy. History tells us many of these (if not all) will fail to become a top flite QB. In my estimation, the Vikes have too many holes to compete for a championship and gutting two years of drafts is not the way to build a sustainable competitive roster. The 2025 1st could very well be a top 10-12 pick. I would move 11, 23 and perhaps a later round pick for Maye or Daniels, but certainly not the 2025 1st. To even consider giving up three #1's the QB is going to have to be at a Burrow level for me.
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Maye - 11, 23, ’25 1st and whatever lower round picks that it takes
Daniels - 11, 23
McCarthy/Nix - 11
Penix - 23 or later
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I am not going to say for who... because that is really a crap shoot, but if they really like a guy, then 11 and 23 ( not willing to go into next years draft at this point, I am just not that enamored with any of these guys, even Williams ) but if they wanted to package the 2 firsts and a later pick to move up for one that they ride or die with, then have at it.
Otherwise I am perfectly content to take my QBOTF at 11, waiting it out and see who falls to us, or at the most maybe jumping ahead a few spots to stay ahead of Denver flipping with the Bears for our choice of whats left.
I think these are good not great pro candidates, but I think there is enough uncertainty in each ones resume that it doesnt merit using any future draft capital to get it done.
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(04-19-2024, 10:01 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: I think it's hugely important for the future of this franchise that the Vikings somehow land their QBOTF in this draft. With that in mind, here's my investment risk tolerance for each.
Daniels or Maye - Willing to give up 11, 23, ’25 1st and change
McCarthy - Willing to give up 11, 23 and ’25 1st
Penix - At 11, keeping 23
Nix - At 23 (or later), keeping 11
I think Im on board with this except there's no way I'd give next years 1st for McCarthy who is likely the 4th guy off the board.
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Maye or Daniels 3 first
All others Im sitting at 11 and 23
I don't want anything to do with JJ unless he is there at 23
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Daniels - 11 and 23
Maye - take at 11
Penix - take at 11
JJM - take at 11 - bump up a couple if they expect someone to jump ahead
Nix - take at 11 or bump up a couple if they expect Denver to jump in front of them
My QB rankings:
1. Williams
2. Daniels
3. Nix
4. JJM
5. Maye
6. Penix - he’s better than some ahead of him, but that injury history can’t be ignored from a long term perspective
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