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04-10-2024, 09:14 AM
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Report: Jayden Daniels 'would love' to play for Vikings
Vikings down to two weeks to meet with Daniels for a private workout.
The Vikings have reportedly flown all over the country to hold private workouts with quarterback prospects Drake Maye, J.J. McCarthy, Michael Penix Jr. and Bo Nix, but what about Jayden Daniels?
Unless the Vikings are Daniels' camp are keeping something secret, no such private workout has occurred. Could that change in the next two weeks before the first round of the NFL Draft? It sounds like it might...
"Jayden Daniels has all sorts of interest in being a Viking. The Vikings haven't been able to connect with him yet. That's still a work in progress, could still happen. There's nothing set in stone, at least of last night," Minnesota sports insider Darren Wolfson said Tuesday on SKOR North's Mackey & Judd.
"The two sides, there's still some dialogue there. It's still possible. I don't know how likely it is, but it's still possible that Kevin O'Connell will connect with Jayden somewhere along the way here in the next 14-ish days."
Daniels is projected by most to be a top-three pick in the draft. Quarterback Caleb Williams appears to be the likely No. 1 overall pick to the Bears, followed by the Commanders at No. 2 or Patriots at No. 3 selecting Daniels.
Minnesota would likely have to trade into the top five to have any shot at Daniels.
With picks 11 and 23 this year, the Vikings have the ammo to at least start a conversation about trading up, but will they go as far as the Patriots and Cardinals, who own No. 4 pick, reportedly demand?
Armando Salguero of OutKick is reporting that Arizona wants three first-round picks to move down from No. 4 and that if they don't get their wish they'll stay put and hope to draft wide receiver Marvin Harrison Jr.
A report Monday out of Boston suggested that the Patriots need three first-round picks just to get a trade conversation started. Are the Vikings willing to give up both first-round picks this year and their 2025 first for the third or fourth pick?
What about trading with the Chargers at No. 5? Could the Vikings get the fifth pick for just 11 and 23? Maybe that's the plan but only if the draft board falls how they want it to on draft night.
Whether Minnesota prefers Daniels, Maye, McCarthy, Penix or Nix, it doesn't change the fact that, at least according to Wolfson, Daniels would love to play for the Vikings.
"Make no mistake, Jayden Daniels would love to be a Viking. That is my understanding," Wolfson said.
https://athlonsports.com/nation/bringmet...or-vikings
So Guru states there is a step change between Daniels/Maye and a JJM and then Penix after that.
How much more (if at all) do the Vikings believe that after they stacked their board?
Dont know if we'll ever know.
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The Vikings just can't panic and I think the deal breaker is the 1st round pick in 2025. I think the Cardinals, Chargers and Giants would all like to grab one of those 3 elite receivers, so let them. If that's the price tag I don't see Denver jumping ahead because they don't have the picks.
The latest Walter Football mock has this exact thing playing out with the Vikings sitting tight and grabbing McCarthy at 11 and Byron Murphy at 23. I don't know if it would play out like that, but I just don't think we move up into those top 6 picks
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Staying at 11 and 23 may be the best move, take a quarterback at 11 if JJ, Penix, or Nix are there then take the best player available at 23. Draft picks are a crap shoot but lets try and fill some holes without giving up next years first rounder.
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I just remember all the smoke last year with Will Levis and Hendon Hooker being top 10 picks and it didn't come close to playing out that way. If the Giants want to screw themselves after paying Danny dimes big bucks, let them. To me, the starting point in any trade up conversation is the Titans at #7. The cost of moving up into that spot from #11 is probably one of our 4th round picks this year, and our 3rd in 2025. That is a much more palatable trade compensation package and allows us to keep our extra first THIS year and our first NEXT year.
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(04-10-2024, 12:06 PM)supafreak84 Wrote: I just remember all the smoke last year with Will Levis and Hendon Hooker being top 10 picks and it didn't come close to playing out that way. If the Giants want to screw themselves after paying Danny dimes big bucks, let them. To me, the starting point in any trade up conversation is the Titans at #7. The cost of moving up into that spot from #11 is probably one of our 4th round picks this year, and our 3rd in 2025. That is a much more palatable trade compensation package and allows us to keep our extra first THIS year and our first NEXT year.
It honestly comes down to a little bit of this. How much more do you like these QB vs the others? So not suggesting they wouldn't move up for JJM, but is he a risk the farm/future of the franchise prospect? I'd vote no. Easily would trade the 25 1st if you're getting Drake Maye. So there is a gap. But the other way of asking the question is how much more do you like JJM over Penix? If there is a significant enough gap you're probably somewhat aggressively thinking about moving up.
I don't see why they wouldn't handle this similar to the Kirk contract negotiations. You want some of these QBs but aren't going to exceed some set price threshold to trade up for them.
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04-10-2024, 02:07 PM
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(04-10-2024, 01:49 PM)NFL Draft Guru Wrote: It honestly comes down to a little bit of this. How much more do you like these QB vs the others? So not suggesting they wouldn't move up for JJM, but is he a risk the farm/future of the franchise prospect? I'd vote no. Easily would trade the 25 1st if you're getting Drake Maye. So there is a gap. But the other way of asking the question is how much more do you like JJM over Penix? If there is a significant enough gap you're probably somewhat aggressively thinking about moving up.
I don't see why they wouldn't handle this similar to the Kirk contract negotiations. You want some of these QBs but aren't going to exceed some set price threshold to trade up for them.
Agreed. I don't see how Maye or JJM is such a sure and confident thing you'd give up 2 additional first round picks along with switching to #11. I keep hearing how Minnesota MUST be wanting to trade up because they got Houston's #1....I just think it gives them options. And one of those options is to take two excellent players in the top 23 picks. If Arizona or Los Angeles demands over the top comp, why do it?? The only X factor is if KAM and KOC REALLY like a kid that on their board is a demonstrable difference in slots. The team desperately needs a good DT as well.
IMO, there's going to end up being a lot less fireworks in the top 5 picks than the media whores want us to believe. I'm not saying don't move up for a QB.....I'm saying don't be morons about it and set some kind of new trade comp bar because of it.
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(04-10-2024, 02:07 PM)StickierBuns Wrote: Agreed. I don't see how Maye or JJM is such a sure and confident thing you'd give up 2 additional first round picks along with switching to #11. I keep hearing how Minnesota MUST be wanting to trade up because they got Houston's #1....I just think it gives them options. And one of those options is to take two excellent players in the top 23 picks. If Arizona or Los Angeles demands over the top comp, why do it?? The only X factor is if KAM and KOC REALLY like a kid that on their board is a demonstrable difference in slots. The team desperately needs a good DT as well.
IMO, there's going to end up being a lot less fireworks in the top 5 picks than the media whores want us to believe. I'm not saying don't move up for a QB.....I'm saying don't be morons about it and set some kind of new trade comp bar because of it.
Good take on this, “Stickier!”
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(04-10-2024, 01:49 PM)NFL Draft Guru Wrote: It honestly comes down to a little bit of this. How much more do you like these QB vs the others? So not suggesting they wouldn't move up for JJM, but is he a risk the farm/future of the franchise prospect? I'd vote no. Easily would trade the 25 1st if you're getting Drake Maye. So there is a gap. But the other way of asking the question is how much more do you like JJM over Penix? If there is a significant enough gap you're probably somewhat aggressively thinking about moving up.
I don't see why they wouldn't handle this similar to the Kirk contract negotiations. You want some of these QBs but aren't going to exceed some set price threshold to trade up for them.
They were talking about this on NFL Radio today that none of the top 4 teams want to move off their picks and none of the teams interested in moving up are willing to pay what it would cost for those teams to even entertain the offer. To me, it's basically a lock that the top 3 picks will be Williams, Daniels and Maye in whichever order, then MHJ going to the Cards at #4. Chargers either take Nabors or Joe Alt, and the Giants take Nabors if he drops or Odunze. I just think this talk of the Giants taking a quarterback is smoke and nonsense. The Vikings just need to sit tight and let this play out. At the end of the day if we end up with Penix or Nix...so be it. Keep your other pick (23) and most importantly our first next year.
Kiper has us giving up both 1sts this year and our 1st next year to move up to #5 with the Chargers and we take McCarthy. Fuuuuuck that
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(04-10-2024, 02:07 PM)StickierBuns Wrote: Agreed. I don't see how Maye or JJM is such a sure and confident thing you'd give up 2 additional first round picks along with switching to #11. I keep hearing how Minnesota MUST be wanting to trade up because they got Houston's #1....I just think it gives them options. And one of those options is to take two excellent players in the top 23 picks. If Arizona or Los Angeles demands over the top comp, why do it?? The only X factor is if KAM and KOC REALLY like a kid that on their board is a demonstrable difference in slots. The team desperately needs a good DT as well.
IMO, there's going to end up being a lot less fireworks in the top 5 picks than the media whores want us to believe. I'm not saying don't move up for a QB.....I'm saying don't be morons about it and set some kind of new trade comp bar because of it.
I agree it just opens up options and honestly puts the bat signal up to call MN first if you have an interest in moving down. There are close to 20 blue-chip 1st round prospects so it was the right pick to get yourselves into even if QB isn't the pick. If a defensive player, you keep them. If a weapon falls you are going to have serious interest to trade back with BUF, KC, CAR at the top of the 2nd, etc. Whether they take picks this year or get back a future pick, they'll have that option. Another option, they pull a deal similar to PHI/NO and straight up trade 23 out of this draft to get a 1st round pick + in 2025.
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(04-10-2024, 04:48 PM)NFL Draft Guru Wrote: I agree it just opens up options and honestly puts the bat signal up to call MN first if you have an interest in moving down. There are close to 20 blue-chip 1st round prospects so it was the right pick to get yourselves into even if QB isn't the pick. If a defensive player, you keep them. If a weapon falls you are going to have serious interest to trade back with BUF, KC, CAR at the top of the 2nd, etc. Whether they take picks this year or get back a future pick, they'll have that option. Another option, they pull a deal similar to PHI/NO and straight up trade 23 out of this draft to get a 1st round pick + in 2025.
I can see the logic in moving out and acquiring picks for next season, but man, this roster still has a lot of holes besides quarterback. Interior offensive line (we don't have a starting caliber left guard), receiver depth, defensive line, Edge (Van Ginkel as a full time starter?), corner depth, kicker, and the list goes on. We have to get some impact players out of this draft because the draft impacts have been extremely light the last two seasons and we have fallen behind in the division
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