Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
He says he's still a couple months away and you can see some short stepping in his drops, but I don't think there's any doubt he's going to be ready by training camp.
good, im not the only one that saw that and thought something didnt look right. I am sure he will be functional by summer, but when shit starts flying around him, or people are at his feet, how will he react?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
As of 2/23/24:
Kirk Cousins' Next Team Odds | Team | Odds | Implied Probability |
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| Las Vegas Raiders | +325 | 23.5% | | Atlanta Falcons | +350 | 22.2% | | New England Patriots | +450 | 18.2% | | Minnesota Vikings | +650 | 13.3% | | Washington Commanders | +1000 | 9.1% | | Pittsburgh Steelers | +1400 | 6.7% | | Seattle Seahawks | +1500 | 6.3% | | Denver Broncos | +1800 | 5.3% | | The Field | +600 | 14.3% |
https://bookies.com/nfl/picks/kirk-cousins-next-team-odds
This doesn't make any sense. I don't get the Raiders leading this. Kirk's a free agent, meaning he can sign with whomever he wants. I doubt the Raiders are one of those teams. And he sure as hell isn't going to sign with the Patriots, who have a terrible OL and no weapons. They are going to be historically bad in 24.
I still think it's a two-team race between the Falcons and Vikings.
That's because it's not actual odds, it's an opinion site. The Raiders would be a terrible destination - a rookie HC who probably won't pan out versus Reid, Peyton, and Harbaugh, not to mention Mark Davis as owner. Can't see Kirk signing up for that.
Currently the only odds I can find on Kirk's next team are at DK and they line up with your guess. Vikings -200 and Atlanta +300 are the top two. After that it's Patriots +800, Steelers and Raiders +1000, 49ers +1800. The rest of the field are all 20-1 or higher with implied odds below 1 percent per team.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Saw a report today saying Cousins can expect a deal around $51 million annually. Listed a number of teams. I doubt the guy picked that number out of a hat. He’s probably heard from a team willing to go that high or near it, or they are hoping it will make it more likely he hits free agency so they get a shot at him.
Hate to say it, but the cap change changed the market. There simply aren’t enough decent starters and teams have cash to spend.
I've always felt it's going to be higher than most people think. And yes the market just went up 12%. Still, $51 seems high, unless it's a 1-year deal.
If I were to pull numbers out of my ass, I'd say AAV is $40M for 3 years, $44 for 2 years and maybe $48 for 1 year.
I’m a pretty big proponent of bringing Kirk back, but $51 mil/year is nuts
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Saw a report today saying Cousins can expect a deal around $51 million annually. Listed a number of teams. I doubt the guy picked that number out of a hat. He’s probably heard from a team willing to go that high or near it, or they are hoping it will make it more likely he hits free agency so they get a shot at him.
Hate to say it, but the cap change changed the market. There simply aren’t enough decent starters and teams have cash to spend.
I've always felt it's going to be higher than most people think. And yes the market just went up 12%. Still, $51 seems high, unless it's a 1-year deal.
If I were to pull numbers out of my ass, I'd say AAV is $40M for 3 years, $44 for 2 years and maybe $48 for 1 year.
I’m a pretty big proponent of bringing Kirk back, but $51 mil/year is nuts
I agree. Kirk is a decent QB, but it's not like he's a HOFer. If Kirk wants to come back to Minny, he's got to want to build a team around him, and not take such a large slice of the salary cap pie.
Quote: @Havoc1649 said:
Saw a report today saying Cousins can expect a deal around $51 million annually. Listed a number of teams. I doubt the guy picked that number out of a hat. He’s probably heard from a team willing to go that high or near it, or they are hoping it will make it more likely he hits free agency so they get a shot at him.
Hate to say it, but the cap change changed the market. There simply aren’t enough decent starters and teams have cash to spend.
I think that was Bill Barnwell at ESPN... Think it was a projection of what he'd command on the open market. Don't think it was based on any solid reports from sources or anything.
I believe what Maroon is saying is right... Kirk has come out and said publicly that the dollar amount isn't the sticking point, it's the structure. If we look back at his previous contracts, they haven't set the bar for QBs in terms of total value and guarantees. He's never been the highest paid QB in that regard, but he's always done 2-3 years fully guaranteed. I would assume that's what he wants. If you read between the lines, I'm guessing Kwesi doesn't want to do 3 years fully guaranteed like the previous regime. I think it's 1 or 2 years with fully guaranteed money and that's why nothing got done last year either. It'll be interesting to see if either side caves in or not.
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Saw a report today saying Cousins can expect a deal around $51 million annually. Listed a number of teams. I doubt the guy picked that number out of a hat. He’s probably heard from a team willing to go that high or near it, or they are hoping it will make it more likely he hits free agency so they get a shot at him.
Hate to say it, but the cap change changed the market. There simply aren’t enough decent starters and teams have cash to spend.
I've always felt it's going to be higher than most people think. And yes the market just went up 12%. Still, $51 seems high, unless it's a 1-year deal.
If I were to pull numbers out of my ass, I'd say AAV is $40M for 3 years, $44 for 2 years and maybe $48 for 1 year.
I’m a pretty big proponent of bringing Kirk back, but $51 mil/year is nuts
It's all nuts though. Yes, giving $51M to a QB coming off an achilles seems crazy, but keep in mind a couple things: Every new QB contract is always WAY higher than anyone projected. Think about the Kaepernick contract, the Carr contract, the Daniel Jones contract. That's the market. And this year we're doing it with $30M more dollars in the budget. A $51M AAV would rank Cousins 5th among QBs. He won't get that for multiple years, but he could maybe get it for one.
I think all of us are going to be sticker-shocked by how big new contracts are this year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Saw a report today saying Cousins can expect a deal around $51 million annually. Listed a number of teams. I doubt the guy picked that number out of a hat. He’s probably heard from a team willing to go that high or near it, or they are hoping it will make it more likely he hits free agency so they get a shot at him.
Hate to say it, but the cap change changed the market. There simply aren’t enough decent starters and teams have cash to spend.
I've always felt it's going to be higher than most people think. And yes the market just went up 12%. Still, $51 seems high, unless it's a 1-year deal.
If I were to pull numbers out of my ass, I'd say AAV is $40M for 3 years, $44 for 2 years and maybe $48 for 1 year.
I’m a pretty big proponent of bringing Kirk back, but $51 mil/year is nuts
It's all nuts though. Yes, giving $51M to a QB coming off an achilles seems crazy, but keep in mind a couple things: Every new QB contract is always WAY higher than anyone projected. Think about the Kaepernick contract, the Carr contract, the Daniel Jones contract. That's the market. And this year we're doing it with $30M more dollars in the budget. A $51M AAV would rank Cousins 5th among QBs. He won't get that for multiple years, but he could maybe get it for one.
I think all of us are going to be sticker-shocked by how big new contracts are this year.
Like everything else in our lives 
3 year contract, first two years guaranteed. If we don't re-sign him, the dead cap hit ($28.5mm) is almost a full year salary. Draft QBOTF (Bo Nix), let him sit for two years.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Saw a report today saying Cousins can expect a deal around $51 million annually. Listed a number of teams. I doubt the guy picked that number out of a hat. He’s probably heard from a team willing to go that high or near it, or they are hoping it will make it more likely he hits free agency so they get a shot at him.
Hate to say it, but the cap change changed the market. There simply aren’t enough decent starters and teams have cash to spend.
I've always felt it's going to be higher than most people think. And yes the market just went up 12%. Still, $51 seems high, unless it's a 1-year deal.
If I were to pull numbers out of my ass, I'd say AAV is $40M for 3 years, $44 for 2 years and maybe $48 for 1 year.
I’m a pretty big proponent of bringing Kirk back, but $51 mil/year is nuts
It's all nuts though. Yes, giving $51M to a QB coming off an achilles seems crazy,
The end. There’s no but in this scenario. If someone wants to give Kirk buckoo bucks and guarantees we need to have the discipline to let them.
EDIT: If KC will take that for one year, while we groom his replacement, I suppose that’s MAAAAYBE worth an overpay. So you’re right there is a “but”. My mistake! Any other situation though, no thank you.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Havoc1649 said:
Saw a report today saying Cousins can expect a deal around $51 million annually. Listed a number of teams. I doubt the guy picked that number out of a hat. He’s probably heard from a team willing to go that high or near it, or they are hoping it will make it more likely he hits free agency so they get a shot at him.
Hate to say it, but the cap change changed the market. There simply aren’t enough decent starters and teams have cash to spend.
I've always felt it's going to be higher than most people think. And yes the market just went up 12%. Still, $51 seems high, unless it's a 1-year deal.
If I were to pull numbers out of my ass, I'd say AAV is $40M for 3 years, $44 for 2 years and maybe $48 for 1 year.
I’m a pretty big proponent of bringing Kirk back, but $51 mil/year is nuts
It's all nuts though. Yes, giving $51M to a QB coming off an achilles seems crazy,
The end. There’s no but in this scenario. If someone wants to give Kirk buckoo bucks and guarantees we need to have the discipline to let them.
EDIT: If KC will take that for one year, while we groom his replacement, I suppose that’s MAAAAYBE worth an overpay. So you’re right there is a “but”. My mistake! Any other situation though, no thank you.
Agree. if I could get Kirk for ONE year, which seems like it would be a VERY hard sell to Kirk considering what he wants and what other teams might be willing to offer, it's the perfect situation for the Vikings. We compete for a Super Bowl in '24. No future money. Rookie takes over next year. Yeah, I'd be willing to pay a lot more for that.
And it's not a terrible thing for Kirk either. He proves he's healthy. Vikings score like a pinball machine and he can get his top-of-market deal in 25.
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