Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.
I think his market value had he not been hurt would have easily been in the 45 mil for 3 yr. fully guaranteed. With the situation now, I think 2 yrs. at 38-40ish mil is his market value knowing that his mobility/running was never a key component to his game. Could go a little higher if SF gets involved.
Agreed. Carr's contract averages $37.5M annually. Kirko isn't signing for less than that.
Quote: @FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?
Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
Quote: @mgobluevikes said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe one who's coming off an achilles injury? I don't think his age plays a big part in this, but I do think the injury keeps him just under market.
I think his market value had he not been hurt would have easily been in the 45 mil for 3 yr. fully guaranteed. With the situation now, I think 2 yrs. at 38-40ish mil is his market value knowing that his mobility/running was never a key component to his game. Could go a little higher if SF gets involved.
I don't think the injury causes some incremental reduction in his value. More likely he gets a contract based on actual past performance and current market conditions, with playtime/injury clauses built in to protect the team that signs him in case the achilles is an ongoing issue.
Quote: @FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?
Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
All-time TERRIBLE take right here. Absolutely legendary.
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?
Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
All-time TERRIBLE take right here. Absolutely legendary.
Well it can't be, because comparing Cousins to Hall of Fame QBs has to be number one.
Quote: @FLVike said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?
Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
All-time TERRIBLE take right here. Absolutely legendary.
Well it can't be, because comparing Cousins to Hall of Fame QBs has to be number one.
Equally as ludicrous. But if you don’t think Cousins is talented enough to be quarterbacking a Super Bowl winning team, you’re breathtakingly wrong.
Cousins is easily as talented as Stafford, Flacco, Jimmy G, Jared Goff, Nick Foles, Matt Ryan, and Russell Wilson. All of whom appeared in Super Bowls in the last ten years. Half of whom who WON one. And every one of these QBs outside of Foles and Goff took up a major portion of their teams’ salary cap space.
Then people like you will point to how those QB’s were surrounded by great teams and that’s why they could get to a Super Bowl. But in the same breath turn around and say Kirk Cousins is the SOLE reason the Vikings can’t win a chip.
Quote: @FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ FLVike said:
@ comet52 said:
When a mediocrity like Daniel Jones gets 40 mil/yr it's hardly a stretch to think Kirk wants more than that. I hear the argument here that he's so amazingly great but that he'll somehow play for a below market deal, which makes zero sense given his amazing greatness not to mention contract history, and what qb plays for a below market deal anyway?
Maybe he realized that no other QB in history has been paid so much for accomplishing so little
Kind of like Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly...Would you be saying this about Cousins if he had been playing for the 49ers for the last 6 yrs.?
Why are you comparing Cousins to Hall-Of-Fame QBs that have played in Superbowls?
Because it takes a lot more pieces than a QB to get to the HOF or super bowls. Why didn't either of them win? Marino threw 50 times in his super bowl loss with 2 picks, 1 TD and they only scored 16 pts. Kelly's offenses scored 13, 17, 19 and 24 pts. Did they just pad their stats their whole careers? You didn't answer my question about the 49ers. What if Cousins played on the Rams team instead of Stafford when they won a SB with Aaron Donald?
Here's my answer to your question, you may want to sit down before you read it;
Even if Cousins had the '85 Bears defense and the '98 Vikings offense he still would not get to the Superbowl.
Just zero credibility with this take. Silly.
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