Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5
Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs, i think he’s the worst of the lot.
I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts
Strong arm, great accuracy. Likely to be around 8-15. Seems realistic he could be there. Could do very well with Jefferson and Addison. Higher ceiling lower flower than Nix and McCarthy, I'm ready for boom or bust, better than mediocrity we have been stuck in forever
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
Kirk has as many SB appearances as Josh Allen & Lamar Jackson.
And they've had the OL, D, running game etc.
I'm not saying re-sign Kirko at all costs, he's got fit their 2025 plan Geoff outlined earlier. But this "QB wins thing" isn't something I can get behind.
IF anything, I point a finger at the org for not putting the surround in place.
We'll know soon enough how this game of poker will resolve. Mid-March isnt that far away.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
Kirk has as many SB appearances as Josh Allen & Lamar Jackson.
And they've had the OL, D, running game etc.
I'm not saying re-sign Kirko at all costs, he's got fit their 2025 plan Geoff outlined earlier. But this "QB wins thing" isn't something I can get behind.
IF anything, I point a finger at the org for not putting the surround in place.
We'll know soon enough how this game of poker will resolve. Mid-March isnt that far away.
Well Kirk isn't playing against Patrick Mahomes to get to the Super Bowl every year. The QBs in the final four of the NFC, Purdy, Goff, Baker, Love. Last year it was Purdy, Dan Jones, Dak, and Hurts.
Also Allen and Jackson on this Vikings team since 2018/2019, fair to say we have more than just one wild card win.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
Kirk has as many SB appearances as Josh Allen & Lamar Jackson.
And they've had the OL, D, running game etc.
I'm not saying re-sign Kirko at all costs, he's got fit their 2025 plan Geoff outlined earlier. But this "QB wins thing" isn't something I can get behind.
IF anything, I point a finger at the org for not putting the surround in place.
We'll know soon enough how this game of poker will resolve. Mid-March isnt that far away.
Well Kirk isn't playing against Patrick Mahomes to get to the Super Bowl every year. The QBs in the final four of the NFC, Purdy, Goff, Baker, Love. Last year it was Purdy, Dan Jones, Dak, and Hurts.
Also Allen and Jackson on this Vikings team since 2018/2019, fair to say we have more than just one wild card win.
Now we're getting into conjecture and what if. We could swirl on that for a long time.
None of them have this mythical QB win in a SB let alone an appearance in one.
2 of the 3 we're comparing have had tremendously better surrounds than Kirko as well.
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5
Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs, i think he’s the worst of the lot.
I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts
Strong arm, great accuracy. Likely to be around 8-15. Seems realistic he could be there. Could do very well with Jefferson and Addison. Higher ceiling lower flower than Nix and McCarthy, I'm ready for boom or bust, better than mediocrity we have been stuck in forever
The injury history on Penix scares me - a lot.
I'd love to see how the Vikings stacked these kids on their board.
I seriously doubt there's a team out there dumb enough to pay Cousins 90-m guaranteed. I would expect to see him as a color commentator like Romo.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ Skodin said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5
Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs, i think he’s the worst of the lot.
I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts
Strong arm, great accuracy. Likely to be around 8-15. Seems realistic he could be there. Could do very well with Jefferson and Addison. Higher ceiling lower flower than Nix and McCarthy, I'm ready for boom or bust, better than mediocrity we have been stuck in forever
The injury history on Penix scares me - a lot.
I'd love to see how the Vikings stacked these kids on their board.
I’d settle for knowing if their plan is to improve in 2024 or build this thing longterm. And I hope the answer isn’t, “both!”
Quote: @kmillard said:
When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed.
...because, as we know, he was playing, coaching, and GMing the team alone since 2018, and all wins/losses fall solely on him.
Strange, though, because other players are on the roster...and in footage...hmmm...!
Quote: @Skodin said:
@ CFIAvike said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5
Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs, i think he’s the worst of the lot.
I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts
Strong arm, great accuracy. Likely to be around 8-15. Seems realistic he could be there. Could do very well with Jefferson and Addison. Higher ceiling lower flower than Nix and McCarthy, I'm ready for boom or bust, better than mediocrity we have been stuck in forever
You do know Penix is FAR liklier to bust than boom? I mean he would be a far better pick in the 2-3 round as a long term developmental project. After getting absolutely boat raced by Michigan's defense, I highly doubt he could even handle the worst defense in the NFL.
If you want Penix starting next year, you clearly don't want to see us win and you want to see JJ and Addison's talents completely wasted
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