Quote: @MaroonBells said:
For those using the $90M figure for Cousins, this would rank him 9th among NFL QBs.
Correct. That's Daniel Jones money and Cousins is better than that even with the Achilles concerns. I could easily see a QB desperate team give him a 3 year fully guaranteed deal at more than $45M per year.
Quote: @TBro said:
@ MaroonBells said:
For those using the $90M figure for Cousins, this would rank him 9th among NFL QBs.
Correct. That's Daniel Jones money and Cousins is better than that even with the Achilles concerns. I could easily see a QB desperate team give him a 3 year fully guaranteed deal at more than $45M per year.
Yea, I am hoping it is not our team.
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
Quote: @Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
That pretty much sums it up. Wilfs may be thinking we could of had the same amount of trophies for 250 million less.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
The San Fran model - build a great team around a good but not top tier qb could work... if you actually built a great team around that qb, something the Vikings have never come close to doing in the Kirk era.
Someone on another forum asked the question - what's a better or easier path to a title--find the next great qb like Mahomes, or building a great team around a good not great qb? To which I could only say, the Vikings don't appear to be trying either of these. Honestly, they operate like they don't really have a plan beyond marketing the team and keeping the revenue rolling in.
Quote: @comet52 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
The San Fran model - build a great team around a good but not top tier qb could work... if you actually built a great team around that qb, something the Vikings have never come close to doing in the Kirk era.
Someone on another forum asked the question - what's a better or easier path to a title--find the next great qb like Mahomes, or building a great team around a good not great qb? To which I could only say, the Vikings don't appear to be trying either of these. Honestly, they operate like they don't really have a plan beyond marketing the team and keeping the revenue rolling in.
I have long advocated for building from the lines out, but have to start with the lines, then add QB, TE and LBs, and lastly DBs WRs and RBs, the closer the player to the ball at the snap, the bigger impact they have on a game IMO, and also typically the longer careers so starting with them makes the most sense when looking for a long term window of being competitive. obviously you can address one completely before moving onto the next, but until our O and D lines are better, I dont see the need to be drafting WRs, RBs, CBs, and really even a QB unless one is just sitting there and we have the cap room to fix the OL in FA. when the signed Kirk I was against it, we needed to address the OL first and that really was never done with the exception of adding Darrisaw, the IOL was and still is a sieve which just doesnt work with an immobile QB.
Quote: @comet52 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
I would sooner let Kirk move on. 90 million could go a long ways towards getting us a lot better team, filling other needed positions.
Even if we would pay Kirk, doubtful we would be able to compete against teams in our division.
Kirk has had 6 seasons with us and what has he accomplished?
but it wasnt his fault, it was the OL, the OC, the HC, the receivers, the defense, the lack of a running game, the OL again, there has always been an excuse for him not being the guy he was brought here to be. when he was signed we were told he was the missing piece, people brought up his shortcomings with the skins and the puffers all spouted that he never had a team like the Vikings around him, he never had ownership and coaches that would give him what he needs, well its looking like we are still missing a trophy, hell 1 playoff win since he arrived and the story hasnt changed, its the OL, no running game, porous defense... they likely should just fold the franchise.
The San Fran model - build a great team around a good but not top tier qb could work... if you actually built a great team around that qb, something the Vikings have never come close to doing in the Kirk era.
Someone on another forum asked the question - what's a better or easier path to a title--find the next great qb like Mahomes, or building a great team around a good not great qb? To which I could only say, the Vikings don't appear to be trying either of these. Honestly, they operate like they don't really have a plan beyond marketing the team and keeping the revenue rolling in.
Its felt that way for a while now. Haven't had a young ascending team since 2015. It peaked in 2017 and they have been putting the bandaids on ever since.
Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota.
Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
Might be posted already but it's being reported today by the Pioneer Press that Cousins wants 90 million guaranteed on a 2 year deal to sign re-sign in Minnesota.
Lol hell no! Enjoy Atlanta Kirk...
Not because of this specific number but I was thinking over the weekend— what are we gonna do if Kirk just tells us to pound sand? Whatever the reason might be, if the Vikings plan is to bring Kirk back and it just doesn’t happen, what then?
1. Trade into the top 3 and roll with the rookie
2. If no one picks up the phone and we can’t draft the top 3 QBs at any price, do we move up to make 100% sure we get QB4? Sit tight and pray the guy we want is there at 11?
3. Russell Wilson
4. Tank
5. Bridge QB like Minshew or whoever
Man those options outside of #1 all stink. I know many are ready to move on from Kirk— I am too, frankly— but when I think of the other possibilites… yuck.
If Kirk’s gone and we can’t get Option 1 done I almost think KAM needs to overpay (perhaps massively, gulp) for Justin Fields. It needs to at least be on the table because while that might not be ideal, Options 2-5 I listed above have all kinds of problems too.
Sigh. A day in the life of a Vikings fan.
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