Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents.
Sounds to me like we're either going into the season with Kirk or trading up to draft one of the top QBs….is there an echo in here
Correction: attempting to trade-up.
Quote: @minny65 said:
I yearn for the six seasons of 50-39-1 and 0-2 in playoff appearances so lets continue to do what we have always been doing 
All because a decade ago a whole different regime over drafted Ponder - yikes scary. Too scary to ever take a swing again.
Who is it saying not to take the swing? I haven't read everything, but it seems to me the two sides in this debate are between those who want to resign Cousins and draft a QB and those who want to let Cousins go and draft a QB.
That's what's so frustrating about these "debates." Positions are willfully mischaracterized to make them easier to counter. Why not just...
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Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
I yearn for the six seasons of 50-39-1 and 0-2 in playoff appearances so lets continue to do what we have always been doing
All because a decade ago a whole different regime over drafted Ponder - yikes scary. Too scary to ever take a swing again.
Who is it saying not to take the swing? I haven't read everything, but it seems to me the two sides in this debate are between those who want to resign Cousins and draft a QB and those who want to let Cousins go and draft a QB.
That's what's so frustrating about these "debates." Positions are willfully mischaracterized to make them easier to counter. Why not just...
Yep. Zero posters are saying to not draft a QB or 'take a swing'. ZERO. The debate should be only resigning Kirk or not resigning Kirk. But as you mention, its easier for a few I guess to say that some posters are 'scared' or are 'fine with mediocrity'. lol. Its clear as crystal the organization needs to draft a QB regardless.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Wow, bombshell. LOL
As much as I’d like to take credit for that awesome thread title, I merely cut & pasted it…  B)
Quote: @Kentis said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Wow, bombshell. LOL
As much as I’d like to take credit for that awesome thread title, I merely cut & pasted it… B)
Ha, not blaming you Kentis. More and more media are jumping onto this "heavy.com" style of headline writing. Common buzzwords are "breaking," "insider," "bombshell"...and my personal favorite "raises eyebrows."
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Kentis said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Wow, bombshell. LOL
As much as I’d like to take credit for that awesome thread title, I merely cut & pasted it… B)
Ha, not blaming you Kentis. More and more media are jumping onto this "heavy.com" style of headline writing. Common buzzwords are "breaking," "insider," "bombshell"...and my personal favorite "raises eyebrows."
See our problem is that early on in his tenure, Kwesi got into a website that advertised "Try this one weird trick that helps you build an NFL roster!"
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Kentis said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Wow, bombshell. LOL
As much as I’d like to take credit for that awesome thread title, I merely cut & pasted it… B)
Ha, not blaming you Kentis. More and more media are jumping onto this "heavy.com" style of headline writing. Common buzzwords are "breaking," "insider," "bombshell"...and my personal favorite "raises eyebrows."
Oh and dont forget
Little birdie says...
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents.
THIS. If we had hit on the 22 draft with getting two good starters out of the first 3 picks, then we could feel like running it back with Kirk because you have a young deeper roster. But we didn't. It was comically terrible leaving holes that need to be filled.
#1 The plan should making 2025 work to keep Jefferson, Hunter, Darrisaw happy
#2 move on from Kirk (unless he is willing to take $20per) and use that $35-40M for additions to the the DL and IOL. Shoot for Christian Wilkins/Kinlaw and Leonard Williams/Calais Campbell, bring back Davenport for $6M 1 year deal
#3 make your swing for a QB, maybe it cost a lot, maybe it doesn't cost you anything (depends on how high you are with Penix and McCarthy)
A team with an upgraded center + a drastically upgraded DL makes everything better. Young QBs have time to get the ball to a great set of weapons. Young DBs can play better with the QB on the run
Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5
Quote: @Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5
Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up. I think he’s got bust written all over him. Of the much lower second tier of QBs, i think he’s the worst of the lot.
I mean if they go into the year with Penix at QB, they’ll be in a position for a top 2 pick to draft another QB the next year with another wasted top pick under their belts
Quote: @CFIAvike said:
@ Skodin said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that.
The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.
Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025?
What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?
Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents.
Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. Give me Penix with a good/very good OL and these weapons + a defense that blitzes half the amount of the time and can still generate pressure.
Campbell+Wilkins+Phillips (Roy, Day, Jones) with Hunter+Davenport+Carter can be a strong front 5
Man what is it about Penix that has this anti-Kirk crowd so fired up.
I don't think I get it either. He probably isn't going in round 1. Or round 2.
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