NFL insider drops bombshell report on Vikings’ Kirk Cousins

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@kmillard said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@FLVike said:

Moving up in the draft would cost a fortune? Really?The Lions moved up 20 spots for two pancakes and a waffle. We should be able to move up 6 spots for just two pancakes.

If the Vikings let Kirk walk, moving up WILL cost a fortune because every GM in front of them in the draft will know the Vikings have a proverbial loaded shotgun to their head to get a QB. 

Good fucking luck selling ANYONE on the idea of watching “Gardner Minshew” for two years while we wait to see if one of the “Christian Ponders” we reach for at #11 or draft in the second round pans out. 

At least I’ll get to happily point out what an absolutely moronic plan it was if this ends up being the option they take. I was right when i said we’d be lucky to win 8 games once Kirk went down (and was ripped during Dobbs-mania) and I’m just as right about this. 

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

if Kirk walks, its either Maye, Williams, Daniels or the nuclear option

So you are going on record as saying that any QB other than the 3 you listed will be busts?

And way to stick you neck out on the over under,  the teams star receiver was out, the starting QB goes down for the year, our IOL was shit as well as our running game.  The D wasn't doing much and the team had started the year 1-4,  so they had proven they knew how to lose.

I'm not going on record saying that every QB I didn't list will bust, what I'm saying is it will take 2-3 years of development to figure out whether they are busts or not.  The only QBs I listed are the ones that can/will start from day 1.  Meaning if you don't extend Cousins or go for one of the top 3 QBs, you might as well blow everything up because we'll be on the never-ending merry-go-round of shitty QBs for who knows how long.

And to your second point....I was absolutely KILLED on this board for suggesting that Dobbs wasn't great right away and 8 wins was a likely probability.  I WAS wrong though...we only got 7 wins.

Just because you need 2 or 3 years to evaluate a QB doesn't preclude you from continuing to try and improve the position.   This dumb ass notion that you can only draft a new QB once the previous has failed is stupid as shit,  and any GM that follows that mentality should be unemployed.  

And you said Ponder as in a bust,    not about taking years to evaluate.   If you don't see it by the end of year one if you arent sold,  back to the well.  Just be up front about it and that way nobody freaks out.  Don't oversell any pick and there won't be problems. 

When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed. 

So by your metric, the Vikings....in the HISTORY of the franchise....have never had a great QB because NONE have delivered us a championship.  But yeah, we're just gonna pick one up in this draft no problem

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The clearing of cap space and not resigning Kirk to another extension last year, led me to believe they were ready to move in a different direction. I just can't see it any other way.
If that indeed was the plan, it doesn't make sense that Kwesi didn't accumulate more draft capitol last year. Perhaps he tried but couldn't find a reasonable deal by trading a veteran or draft picks, who knows?

Picking at eleven, positions them to trade future draft capitol to move up for a QB they really love. And I think that may happen. 

Signing Kirk  also sounds reasonable. But I doubt they will get a discount for the risk he may not recover from his injury. 
The Vikings and Kirk say they love each other but, when the money is laid on the table, I suspect Kirk will be wearing a different color uniform next year!

Kwesi has put Kirk in the drivers seat and Kwesi sliding around in the backseat without a seatbelt!

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@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@FLVike said:

Moving up in the draft would cost a fortune? Really?The Lions moved up 20 spots for two pancakes and a waffle. We should be able to move up 6 spots for just two pancakes.

If the Vikings let Kirk walk, moving up WILL cost a fortune because every GM in front of them in the draft will know the Vikings have a proverbial loaded shotgun to their head to get a QB. 

Good fucking luck selling ANYONE on the idea of watching “Gardner Minshew” for two years while we wait to see if one of the “Christian Ponders” we reach for at #11 or draft in the second round pans out. 

At least I’ll get to happily point out what an absolutely moronic plan it was if this ends up being the option they take. I was right when i said we’d be lucky to win 8 games once Kirk went down (and was ripped during Dobbs-mania) and I’m just as right about this. 

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

if Kirk walks, its either Maye, Williams, Daniels or the nuclear option

So you are going on record as saying that any QB other than the 3 you listed will be busts?

And way to stick you neck out on the over under,  the teams star receiver was out, the starting QB goes down for the year, our IOL was shit as well as our running game.  The D wasn't doing much and the team had started the year 1-4,  so they had proven they knew how to lose.

I'm not going on record saying that every QB I didn't list will bust, what I'm saying is it will take 2-3 years of development to figure out whether they are busts or not.  The only QBs I listed are the ones that can/will start from day 1.  Meaning if you don't extend Cousins or go for one of the top 3 QBs, you might as well blow everything up because we'll be on the never-ending merry-go-round of shitty QBs for who knows how long.

And to your second point....I was absolutely KILLED on this board for suggesting that Dobbs wasn't great right away and 8 wins was a likely probability.  I WAS wrong though...we only got 7 wins.

Just because you need 2 or 3 years to evaluate a QB doesn't preclude you from continuing to try and improve the position.   This dumb ass notion that you can only draft a new QB once the previous has failed is stupid as shit,  and any GM that follows that mentality should be unemployed.  

And you said Ponder as in a bust,    not about taking years to evaluate.   If you don't see it by the end of year one if you arent sold,  back to the well.  Just be up front about it and that way nobody freaks out.  Don't oversell any pick and there won't be problems. 

Then fire every GM in the NFL, because literally none of them continuously draft QBs year after year.

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No way in hell is Kirk taking a less than market value deal.  He is in it for himself and the money and if the Vikings don't meet his contract demands then let him find somebody that will.  

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@Greylock said:
No way in hell is Kirk taking a less than market value deal.  He is in it for himself and the money and if the Vikings don't meet his contract demands then let him find somebody that will.  

@Greylock said:
No way in hell is Kirk taking a less than market value deal.  He is in it for himself and the money and if the Vikings don't meet his contract demands then let him find somebody that will.  

I don't want to agree with this, but I do.  The way it was worded that "It isn't about the money in the contract, but what it represents."
Oh ok....

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@CFIAvike said:

@kmillard said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@FLVike said:

Moving up in the draft would cost a fortune? Really?The Lions moved up 20 spots for two pancakes and a waffle. We should be able to move up 6 spots for just two pancakes.

If the Vikings let Kirk walk, moving up WILL cost a fortune because every GM in front of them in the draft will know the Vikings have a proverbial loaded shotgun to their head to get a QB. 

Good fucking luck selling ANYONE on the idea of watching “Gardner Minshew” for two years while we wait to see if one of the “Christian Ponders” we reach for at #11 or draft in the second round pans out. 

At least I’ll get to happily point out what an absolutely moronic plan it was if this ends up being the option they take. I was right when i said we’d be lucky to win 8 games once Kirk went down (and was ripped during Dobbs-mania) and I’m just as right about this. 

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

if Kirk walks, its either Maye, Williams, Daniels or the nuclear option

So you are going on record as saying that any QB other than the 3 you listed will be busts?

And way to stick you neck out on the over under,  the teams star receiver was out, the starting QB goes down for the year, our IOL was shit as well as our running game.  The D wasn't doing much and the team had started the year 1-4,  so they had proven they knew how to lose.

I'm not going on record saying that every QB I didn't list will bust, what I'm saying is it will take 2-3 years of development to figure out whether they are busts or not.  The only QBs I listed are the ones that can/will start from day 1.  Meaning if you don't extend Cousins or go for one of the top 3 QBs, you might as well blow everything up because we'll be on the never-ending merry-go-round of shitty QBs for who knows how long.

And to your second point....I was absolutely KILLED on this board for suggesting that Dobbs wasn't great right away and 8 wins was a likely probability.  I WAS wrong though...we only got 7 wins.

Just because you need 2 or 3 years to evaluate a QB doesn't preclude you from continuing to try and improve the position.   This dumb ass notion that you can only draft a new QB once the previous has failed is stupid as shit,  and any GM that follows that mentality should be unemployed.  

And you said Ponder as in a bust,    not about taking years to evaluate.   If you don't see it by the end of year one if you arent sold,  back to the well.  Just be up front about it and that way nobody freaks out.  Don't oversell any pick and there won't be problems. 

When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed. 

So by your metric, the Vikings....in the HISTORY of the franchise....have never had a great QB because NONE have delivered us a championship.  But yeah, we're just gonna pick one up in this draft no problem

Yep....AND get rid of one of the best QBs in Viking's history. Because, you know, its 'time to get off the merry go round'. 

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@purplefaithful said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:
I imagine the 1-yr contract point is an inference from the breakdown in their prior conversation last off-season where the Vikings wouldn't offer or guarantee any money past the 2024 season. The Vikings had offered to tack 2 years on Kirk's existing deal with 2023 (last season) and 2024 being guaranteed. Then the Vikings would have flexibility in 2025. Since it was only a single new year in guaranteed money Kirk didn't really engage in that. 

The Kirk extension talks are very interesting since there are two colliding forces. Kirk will need more than a single year on a new deal and guarantees (likely full) into 2025. The Vikings on the other hand have very intentionally earmarked 2025 as the start of their new competitive window. They have complete flexibility. Hockenson, Addison, and Cine are the only 3 players on the entire roster with guaranteed money in 2025 which is kind of crazy.

Kirk played well, but is that enough to get the Viking to move off what they've setup in 2025? 

What does "the start of their new competitive window" mean?

Whether a rookie QB or Kirk, 2025 is financial freedom to basically mold the roster as you wish with no compromise. One path could be to re-sign all of Kirk, Hunter, Darrisaw and JJ. Another could be to add a rookie QB and add a number of high-end free agents. 

Taking this a different direction, the Vikings have set themselves up to successfully trade away considerable draft capital for a rookie QB if they choose to. They can make it up by supplementing the roster with very high-end free agents. 

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@minny65 said:
I yearn for the six seasons of 50-39-1 and  0-2 in playoff appearances so lets continue to do what we have always been doing  
All because a decade ago a whole different regime over drafted Ponder - yikes scary.  Too scary to ever take a swing again.  

I feel like they have to take their shot. Supposedly there wasn't a partner last year but they have to try again. I mean yes Ponder sucked but they can't decide to not go after a qb because of that because that would be asinine. 

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@CFIAvike said:

@kmillard said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@FLVike said:

Moving up in the draft would cost a fortune? Really?The Lions moved up 20 spots for two pancakes and a waffle. We should be able to move up 6 spots for just two pancakes.

If the Vikings let Kirk walk, moving up WILL cost a fortune because every GM in front of them in the draft will know the Vikings have a proverbial loaded shotgun to their head to get a QB. 

Good fucking luck selling ANYONE on the idea of watching “Gardner Minshew” for two years while we wait to see if one of the “Christian Ponders” we reach for at #11 or draft in the second round pans out. 

At least I’ll get to happily point out what an absolutely moronic plan it was if this ends up being the option they take. I was right when i said we’d be lucky to win 8 games once Kirk went down (and was ripped during Dobbs-mania) and I’m just as right about this. 

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

if Kirk walks, its either Maye, Williams, Daniels or the nuclear option

So you are going on record as saying that any QB other than the 3 you listed will be busts?

And way to stick you neck out on the over under,  the teams star receiver was out, the starting QB goes down for the year, our IOL was shit as well as our running game.  The D wasn't doing much and the team had started the year 1-4,  so they had proven they knew how to lose.

I'm not going on record saying that every QB I didn't list will bust, what I'm saying is it will take 2-3 years of development to figure out whether they are busts or not.  The only QBs I listed are the ones that can/will start from day 1.  Meaning if you don't extend Cousins or go for one of the top 3 QBs, you might as well blow everything up because we'll be on the never-ending merry-go-round of shitty QBs for who knows how long.

And to your second point....I was absolutely KILLED on this board for suggesting that Dobbs wasn't great right away and 8 wins was a likely probability.  I WAS wrong though...we only got 7 wins.

Just because you need 2 or 3 years to evaluate a QB doesn't preclude you from continuing to try and improve the position.   This dumb ass notion that you can only draft a new QB once the previous has failed is stupid as shit,  and any GM that follows that mentality should be unemployed.  

And you said Ponder as in a bust,    not about taking years to evaluate.   If you don't see it by the end of year one if you arent sold,  back to the well.  Just be up front about it and that way nobody freaks out.  Don't oversell any pick and there won't be problems. 

When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed. 

So by your metric, the Vikings....in the HISTORY of the franchise....have never had a great QB because NONE have delivered us a championship.  But yeah, we're just gonna pick one up in this draft no problem

I didn't say anything about championships. SO you are happy with one playoff win in 6 years? You are the demographic the Wilfs are counting on.
Raising the bar or trying isn't a bad thing.

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@StickyBun said:

@CFIAvike said:

@kmillard said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@CFIAvike said:

@FLVike said:

Moving up in the draft would cost a fortune? Really?The Lions moved up 20 spots for two pancakes and a waffle. We should be able to move up 6 spots for just two pancakes.

If the Vikings let Kirk walk, moving up WILL cost a fortune because every GM in front of them in the draft will know the Vikings have a proverbial loaded shotgun to their head to get a QB. 

Good fucking luck selling ANYONE on the idea of watching “Gardner Minshew” for two years while we wait to see if one of the “Christian Ponders” we reach for at #11 or draft in the second round pans out. 

At least I’ll get to happily point out what an absolutely moronic plan it was if this ends up being the option they take. I was right when i said we’d be lucky to win 8 games once Kirk went down (and was ripped during Dobbs-mania) and I’m just as right about this. 

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again:

if Kirk walks, its either Maye, Williams, Daniels or the nuclear option

So you are going on record as saying that any QB other than the 3 you listed will be busts?

And way to stick you neck out on the over under,  the teams star receiver was out, the starting QB goes down for the year, our IOL was shit as well as our running game.  The D wasn't doing much and the team had started the year 1-4,  so they had proven they knew how to lose.

I'm not going on record saying that every QB I didn't list will bust, what I'm saying is it will take 2-3 years of development to figure out whether they are busts or not.  The only QBs I listed are the ones that can/will start from day 1.  Meaning if you don't extend Cousins or go for one of the top 3 QBs, you might as well blow everything up because we'll be on the never-ending merry-go-round of shitty QBs for who knows how long.

And to your second point....I was absolutely KILLED on this board for suggesting that Dobbs wasn't great right away and 8 wins was a likely probability.  I WAS wrong though...we only got 7 wins.

Just because you need 2 or 3 years to evaluate a QB doesn't preclude you from continuing to try and improve the position.   This dumb ass notion that you can only draft a new QB once the previous has failed is stupid as shit,  and any GM that follows that mentality should be unemployed.  

And you said Ponder as in a bust,    not about taking years to evaluate.   If you don't see it by the end of year one if you arent sold,  back to the well.  Just be up front about it and that way nobody freaks out.  Don't oversell any pick and there won't be problems. 

When did Kirk become this great QB all of a sudden? I must have missed that. 1 playoff win in 6 years. Time to get off the merry go round. If they sign him it will be for three years guaranteed. 

So by your metric, the Vikings....in the HISTORY of the franchise....have never had a great QB because NONE have delivered us a championship.  But yeah, we're just gonna pick one up in this draft no problem

Yep....AND get rid of one of the best QBs in Viking's history. Because, you know, its 'time to get off the merry go round'. 

Yeah the winning has become monotonous in the wilf era. Hopefully they sign Cousins for 5 years so you can watch some good October football.