Quote: @Skodin said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Loved Jared Allen as a pass rusher, but with all due respect to him, he's kind of a moron. Achilles injuries aren't what they were even as recently as when he played. And we're not talking about a running back here, or a receiver, or a pass rusher or a corner. We're talking about a QB for whom mobility was never his bread and butter.
right a QB who you will have to tie another $70 million into who will be even more immobile @ 37 and 38 only to have to use said repaired achilles to push off of every single pass of that $60 million.
Kirk is not taking a home town deal, he's going to be asking for $35-40 million a year and force the team to have to not add other pieces so we can ride the Cousins ride a little longer.
Jared is the not the sharpest, but he's not wrong.
Yes he is. And so are you.
For whatever reason, some continue to believe that it's easy to just pull a QB from the draft who's ready to replace Cousins in this offense and deliver dimes to JJ, Addison and Hock on day one. Aren't we smarter than that by now?
Those people might want to look at Chicago. In their 104-year history, they haven't had a QB season as good as Cousins career-worst, despite using eleven 1st round picks on QBs.
Might want to look at Cleveland....or Carolina. In their short history, the Panthers have drafted 11 QBs. In the last six seasons, they have had 16 different starting QBs from Young to Darnold to Mayfield to Bridgewater. 16 different starters in 6 seasons!!! And they'll probably be trying again in a couple years.
But the Vikings are going to just stick in their thumb and pull out a plum? Then hand the keys to this highly paid offense to a rookie, potentially wasting the primes of JJ, Darrisaw, Addison, Hockenson?
You know why everyone talks about how unusually great the situation in Minnesota would be for a rookie QB? He'd have a stable, veteran OL and the best receivers in the NFL. It never happens because teams never saddle an offense like that with an unproven QB.
You know all those QBs we talk about in the 2024 QB thread? Odds tell us that about 2/3 of them are going to be busts. There was just as much excitement about Trey Lance and Mac Jones and Zach Wilson and Justin Fields and Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins and Baker Mayfield....Darnold, Rosen, Trubisky, Wentz, Lynch, Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Manuel, RGIII, etc., etc...1st rounders all.
It's not going to happen. They'll draft a QB, but not before giving Cousins a deal. It won't be top of market, but it's not going to be peanuts either. The only way it DOESN'T happen IMO is if Jaren Hall starts the rest of the season and is a Purdy-like revelation. Seems a bit unlikely.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I'm starting to get the feeling that if they think Cousins can be signed and is healthy, they might not draft a QB in the Spring. They might take the top DT or another player with their pick in round 1. Not saying that will happen, but it could under the right circumstances.
Not hard to imagine at all considering our draft position, value of players, and QB hungry teams ahead of us. I could see at least 4 QBs taken ahead of us in rd. 1
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I'm starting to get the feeling that if they think Cousins can be signed and is healthy, they might not draft a QB in the Spring. They might take the top DT or another player with their pick in round 1. Not saying that will happen, but it could under the right circumstances.
I can only speak in likelihoods. It's likely they resign Cousins IMO. It's likely they draft a QB IMO. But none of this is for certain. Is there a hiccup in Cousins recovery? Is there a chance Cousins signs a longer-term deal than we're all thinking? Are the QBs we're targeting scooped up in front of us? Yeah, I think there are things that could see us go another direction.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
At some point though, the team is going to have move on and draft a qb. If they can sign him reasonably for a couple of years great. If the market is wild and it doesn't work out, they can't be desperate. They sign him and draft a qb that would be ideal but we don't know what the plan is or what Cousins wants. He says he wants to be a Viking but we'll see how offers play out. Some people would have been pissed if he was extended before the injury and some people will be pissed if he is gone. But there are several key players to consider moving forward, it's not just about Cousins
You speak of desperate. We already don’t have a starter for next year. Lets say we finish with the 17th draft pick (exactly.500). The price to trade up is going to be a fortune because everyone knows we’ll be trading up for a starting QB and they can bend us over the barrel.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ Vikergirl said:
At some point though, the team is going to have move on and draft a qb. If they can sign him reasonably for a couple of years great. If the market is wild and it doesn't work out, they can't be desperate. They sign him and draft a qb that would be ideal but we don't know what the plan is or what Cousins wants. He says he wants to be a Viking but we'll see how offers play out. Some people would have been pissed if he was extended before the injury and some people will be pissed if he is gone. But there are several key players to consider moving forward, it's not just about Cousins
You speak of desperate. We already don’t have a starter for next year. Lets say we finish with the 17th draft pick (exactly.500). The price to trade up is going to be a fortune because everyone knows we’ll be trading up for a starting QB and they can bend us over the barrel.
I think whether they know we need a QB or not is irrelevant. Rarely does a team only talk trade with just one other team. The market (how many teams are vying for it) will decide the value of that pick.
The Chiefs traded up from 27 to 10 for Mahomes, giving up their 3rd and the following year's 1st rounder. I think if the Vikings are at 17 like you say, they can probably move to, say, 10 simply by offering next year's 1st, or this year's 2nd. The huge trades are into the top 5.
KOC kind of reminds of a used car salesman. He says one thing but could be thinking totally different.
I think that something is going to happen in the off season.
And maybe something we even weren’t expecting.
I guess just wait and see what management decides in the off season.
With these guys prepare to expect the unexpected.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Skodin said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Loved Jared Allen as a pass rusher, but with all due respect to him, he's kind of a moron. Achilles injuries aren't what they were even as recently as when he played. And we're not talking about a running back here, or a receiver, or a pass rusher or a corner. We're talking about a QB for whom mobility was never his bread and butter.
right a QB who you will have to tie another $70 million into who will be even more immobile @ 37 and 38 only to have to use said repaired achilles to push off of every single pass of that $60 million.
Kirk is not taking a home town deal, he's going to be asking for $35-40 million a year and force the team to have to not add other pieces so we can ride the Cousins ride a little longer.
Jared is the not the sharpest, but he's not wrong.
Yes he is. And so are you.
For whatever reason, some continue to believe that it's easy to just pull a QB from the draft who's ready to replace Cousins in this offense and deliver dimes to JJ, Addison and Hock on day one. Aren't we smarter than that by now?
Those people might want to look at Chicago. In their 104-year history, they haven't had a QB season as good as Cousins career-worst, despite using eleven 1st round picks on QBs.
Might want to look at Cleveland....or Carolina. In their short history, the Panthers have drafted 11 QBs. In the last six seasons, they have had 16 different starting QBs from Young to Darnold to Mayfield to Bridgewater. 16 different starters in 6 seasons!!! And they'll probably be trying again in a couple years.
But the Vikings are going to just stick in their thumb and pull out a plum? Then hand the keys to this highly paid offense to a rookie, potentially wasting the primes of JJ, Darrisaw, Addison, Hockenson?
You know why everyone talks about how unusually great the situation in Minnesota would be for a rookie QB? He'd have a stable, veteran OL and the best receivers in the NFL. It never happens because teams never saddle an offense like that with an unproven QB.
You know all those QBs we talk about in the 2024 QB thread? Odds tell us that about 2/3 of them are going to be busts. There was just as much excitement about Trey Lance and Mac Jones and Zach Wilson and Justin Fields and Daniel Jones and Dwayne Haskins and Baker Mayfield....Darnold, Rosen, Trubisky, Wentz, Lynch, Winston, Mariota, Bortles, Manziel, Bridgewater, Manuel, RGIII, etc., etc...1st rounders all.
It's not going to happen. They'll draft a QB, but not before giving Cousins a deal. It won't be top of market, but it's not going to be peanuts either. The only way it DOESN'T happen IMO is if Jaren Hall starts the rest of the season and is a Purdy-like revelation. Seems a bit unlikely.
This fear of Viking fans of being the Bears, Browns, Carolina is nuts to me. You can name 1, 1 impactful single receiving threat on those teams over the last 40 years (Steve Smith)
The 2004 Steelers had a small school rookie take over a team that had Bettis, Hines Ward, Plaxico Burress, lost to Brady in the Championship game. 2006 the Chargers handed off the team to Phillip Rivers that had LT, Gates, etc, lost to Brady in the playoffs. 2018 Houston handed over a team with Lamar Miller, Dandre Hopkins, Will Fuller to D. Watson, went to the playoffs.
Pretty much all of those QBs you listed had nothing going for the teams they joined, except for Trey Lance. He was anointed starter, broke his ankle and lost his job. I wish we had went after him this year to see what he could have done here, probably nothing, maybe something.
Cousins can't elevate a team with holes, he needs soo much to be ideal that you can see how other QBs can be successful at half the cost. He's 36, he is what he is. This team because of terrible drafts in 2020 (Gladney, Cleveland, Dantzler) 2021 (Surrat, Mond, Davis), and 2022 (Cine, Booth, Asamoah), has holes it needs to fill to be a real contender (2-3 pieces away). That is 6 defensive picks that were absolute busts from the top 3 rounds. That's a killer.
If you hit on half of them, your defense would be top 5 with many players still on rookie deal. THEN THE Cousins conversation would be different.
None of the teams that want a QB have the weapons we do (except maybe Atlanta).
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ FLVike said:
It's irrelevant, I seriously doubt there were any intentions on resigning him unless he got us to the Superbowl.There are better QB's coming in the draft and we should be able to get one.
Which QB(s) are better then Kirk. Asking for a friend.
Look at Dobbs, he comes in blindly and wins two games. Now Cousins could have won those two games, but if he did would he win by more than one score? Probably not. Now look at the last two games, as bad as Dobbs played many are blaming KOC, and rightfully so.
So basically Dobbs comes in and really nothing has changed.
I'm saying it's time to move on. Cousins has had more chances than any QB ever.
There are some very good QB's coming out and at least 5 are better than Cousins when he came out, Williams, Penix, McCarthy, Nix, and Daniels
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I'm starting to get the feeling that if they think Cousins can be signed and is healthy, they might not draft a QB in the Spring. They might take the top DT or another player with their pick in round 1. Not saying that will happen, but it could under the right circumstances.
I like you Sticky but that post is pure lunacy. :#
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I'm starting to get the feeling that if they think Cousins can be signed and is healthy, they might not draft a QB in the Spring. They might take the top DT or another player with their pick in round 1. Not saying that will happen, but it could under the right circumstances.
I’ve been saying I think it’s either/or also. The only way I see us both drafting a first round QB AND keeping Kirk is if Kirk does a one year deal or a multi-year deal that gives the Vikings an out after one year.
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