Leighton Glodek@LGlodekThe opposing QBs the #Vikings have left to play:
Week 11: Russell WilsonWeek 12: Justin FieldsWeek 14: Aidan O’ConnellWeek 15: Jake BrowningWeek 16: Jared GoffWeek 17: Jordan LoveWeek 18: Jared Goff #skol
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Leighton Glodek@LGlodekThe opposing QBs the #Vikings have left to play:
Week 11: Russell WilsonWeek 12: Justin FieldsWeek 14: Aidan O’ConnellWeek 15: Jake BrowningWeek 16: Jared GoffWeek 17: Jordan LoveWeek 18: Jared Goff #skol
Wilson owns the Vikes...
Have the Vikings EVER beaten him in a game? Ever?
He aint the Wilson of old but....some things transcend time.
They are on a bit of a roll and I suspect Dobbs is going to come back to earth one of these games. Bright/bright lights for the kid Sunday night, national game and he'll have all day Sunday to think about it.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
@ StickyBun said:
I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set.
I don’t think that’s a given at all. We didn’t extend him yet. We’re not really willing to give him a “long
term” deal. I think it seems fairly
clear that we were actively looking for that rookie contract guy. I think KOC has always said flattering things
about all his players, but I don’t think we should read into that too much and
assume they wouldn’t swap him out for a different model if the right option was
there at the right price.
I think if anything, we’ll either learn that this offense
can run with a “lesser and cheaper” QB just fine, or we’ll learn that Dobbs
turns back into a pumpkin. Either way I
think the choice will be obvious at the end of the year. The only way it gets muddled is if Cousins has
to lower his price a lot or if Dobbs raises his price a lot. If Dobbs signed a contract for $10M/year for
any amount of years and maintains this level of competency, I think Cousins is
out without even having to think about it too much, unless we sign them both
and let them compete.
I see no scenario where Cousins "competes" with Dobbs. But I can see a scenario where Dobbs continues playing well through the playoffs and the Vikings decide that he can be our bridge QB. And a much cheaper one at that.
Problem is that all these decisions have to be made long before the draft. Considering that the Vikings can't know they're going to land a QB in the draft, I doubt they'd feel comfortable handing the '24 Vikings over to Josh Dobbs and Jaren Hall.
If Dobbs keeps playing at a high level the rest of the way, and the Vikes makes the playoffs, I'd be more than surprised KC would be offered a new contract. I'd fully expect KOC to roll with Dobbs, Hall, and most likely another rookie QB going into next season leaving Cousins off the Viking's roster. I admit that's a BIG if. Like everyone else, I'm still not convinced Dobbs is "the guy", but if he plays well these next few games, I will be. Dobbs would be a great find for this team not all that unlike what Purdy was to the 49ers.
Purdy wasn't released by 8 teams.
Look, I don't want to be a wet blanket here. Dobbs has been sensational, but it's a small sample size. I actually do expect him to play well over the next few games, because he should still benefit, at least a little, from defenses having little to no film of him running this offense. That could last through the season.
What I don't expect is Dobbs to continue doing what he's doing into next season and then indefinitely. I'd love to be wrong about that, and that the Vikings stumbled upon an absolutely FREE QBOTF, but it seems so unlikely given what we know.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
I wonder if they can have a playoff run for the first time since January 88?
09?
winning multiple playoff games.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
@ StickyBun said:
I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set.
I don’t think that’s a given at all. We didn’t extend him yet. We’re not really willing to give him a “long
term” deal. I think it seems fairly
clear that we were actively looking for that rookie contract guy. I think KOC has always said flattering things
about all his players, but I don’t think we should read into that too much and
assume they wouldn’t swap him out for a different model if the right option was
there at the right price.
I think if anything, we’ll either learn that this offense
can run with a “lesser and cheaper” QB just fine, or we’ll learn that Dobbs
turns back into a pumpkin. Either way I
think the choice will be obvious at the end of the year. The only way it gets muddled is if Cousins has
to lower his price a lot or if Dobbs raises his price a lot. If Dobbs signed a contract for $10M/year for
any amount of years and maintains this level of competency, I think Cousins is
out without even having to think about it too much, unless we sign them both
and let them compete.
I see no scenario where Cousins "competes" with Dobbs. But I can see a scenario where Dobbs continues playing well through the playoffs and the Vikings decide that he can be our bridge QB. And a much cheaper one at that.
Problem is that all these decisions have to be made long before the draft. Considering that the Vikings can't know they're going to land a QB in the draft, I doubt they'd feel comfortable handing the '24 Vikings over to Josh Dobbs and Jaren Hall.
Yeah, I also doubt that Cousins and Dobbs would both
resign. I don’t think it matters that
much that FA comes before the draft. I
don’t think the draft factors anything into this decision. I think they’re going to want to have a
veteran QB and a rookie in the pipeline.
It’s really more on whether it’s Dobbs or Cousins as the veteran and I
think they’ll know all they really need to know by the end of the season as far
as Dobbs is concerned, and then it’s mostly a matter of how much Cousins can
show on the ankle before free agency hits and how much they trust an older QB
with an ankle that’s gone through the breaking and healing process. I don’t think Cousins is without question
marks. I think he’s answered some of
them, but people are always going to question whether he has the mojo to get
things done in the playoffs until he actually goes on a solid playoff run.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
I wonder if they can have a playoff run for the first time since January 88?
09?
winning multiple playoff games.
well we had a bye that year IIRC, so that was out of our hands, they shit stomped the cowboys, and if it werent from some real fuckery by the league and the saints they would have won the CG and likely the SB that year... IMO 09 was every bit as much of a run as any other disappointing ending to a great year we've had.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
I wonder if they can have a playoff run for the first time since January 88?
09?
winning multiple playoff games.
well we had a bye that year IIRC, so that was out of our hands, they shit stomped the cowboys, and if it werent from some real fuckery by the league and the saints they would have won the CG and likely the SB that year... IMO 09 was every bit as much of a run as any other disappointing ending to a great year we've had.
IT wasn't until we lost that CG to the Saints that I realized how emotionally vested I became to that team/that year...
I was pretty bummed out after that - and for a while.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
@ StickyBun said:
I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set.
I don’t think that’s a given at all. We didn’t extend him yet. We’re not really willing to give him a “long
term” deal. I think it seems fairly
clear that we were actively looking for that rookie contract guy. I think KOC has always said flattering things
about all his players, but I don’t think we should read into that too much and
assume they wouldn’t swap him out for a different model if the right option was
there at the right price.
I think if anything, we’ll either learn that this offense
can run with a “lesser and cheaper” QB just fine, or we’ll learn that Dobbs
turns back into a pumpkin. Either way I
think the choice will be obvious at the end of the year. The only way it gets muddled is if Cousins has
to lower his price a lot or if Dobbs raises his price a lot. If Dobbs signed a contract for $10M/year for
any amount of years and maintains this level of competency, I think Cousins is
out without even having to think about it too much, unless we sign them both
and let them compete.
I see no scenario where Cousins "competes" with Dobbs. But I can see a scenario where Dobbs continues playing well through the playoffs and the Vikings decide that he can be our bridge QB. And a much cheaper one at that.
Problem is that all these decisions have to be made long before the draft. Considering that the Vikings can't know they're going to land a QB in the draft, I doubt they'd feel comfortable handing the '24 Vikings over to Josh Dobbs and Jaren Hall.
If Dobbs keeps playing at a high level the rest of the way, and the Vikes makes the playoffs, I'd be more than surprised KC would be offered a new contract. I'd fully expect KOC to roll with Dobbs, Hall, and most likely another rookie QB going into next season leaving Cousins off the Viking's roster. I admit that's a BIG if. Like everyone else, I'm still not convinced Dobbs is "the guy", but if he plays well these next few games, I will be. Dobbs would be a great find for this team not all that unlike what Purdy was to the 49ers.
Purdy wasn't released by 8 teams.
Look, I don't want to be a wet blanket here. Dobbs has been sensational, but it's a small sample size. I actually do expect him to play well over the next few games, because he should still benefit, at least a little, from defenses having little to no film of him running this offense. That could last through the season.
What I don't expect is Dobbs to continue doing what he's doing into next season and then indefinitely. I'd love to be wrong about that, and that the Vikings stumbled upon an absolutely FREE QBOTF, but it seems so unlikely given what we know.
Dobbs wasn't released by 8 teams either. He was waived twice, plucked from Detroit's practice squad, and traded three times.
The comparison to Purdy makes sense if Dobbs remains the starter going into next season by unexpectedly finding a starting QB job. Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant and ended up being the NFL's darling QB. Dobbs was obtained by swapping 7th and 6th round picks with Az, pretty irrelevant compensation too.
I don't expect Dobbs to continue to be great, but I really don't think I can rule out the possibility either. The guy is super smart and has all the physical tools. Let's see what happens Sunday night and beyond. I know I won't be surprised if Dobbs has another great game.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
@ StickyBun said:
I believe that KOC's first choice is Cousins. By probably a wide margin. But it validates his inner thought that the QBOTF needs to have mobility as part of his skill set.
I don’t think that’s a given at all. We didn’t extend him yet. We’re not really willing to give him a “long
term” deal. I think it seems fairly
clear that we were actively looking for that rookie contract guy. I think KOC has always said flattering things
about all his players, but I don’t think we should read into that too much and
assume they wouldn’t swap him out for a different model if the right option was
there at the right price.
I think if anything, we’ll either learn that this offense
can run with a “lesser and cheaper” QB just fine, or we’ll learn that Dobbs
turns back into a pumpkin. Either way I
think the choice will be obvious at the end of the year. The only way it gets muddled is if Cousins has
to lower his price a lot or if Dobbs raises his price a lot. If Dobbs signed a contract for $10M/year for
any amount of years and maintains this level of competency, I think Cousins is
out without even having to think about it too much, unless we sign them both
and let them compete.
I see no scenario where Cousins "competes" with Dobbs. But I can see a scenario where Dobbs continues playing well through the playoffs and the Vikings decide that he can be our bridge QB. And a much cheaper one at that.
Problem is that all these decisions have to be made long before the draft. Considering that the Vikings can't know they're going to land a QB in the draft, I doubt they'd feel comfortable handing the '24 Vikings over to Josh Dobbs and Jaren Hall.
Yeah, I also doubt that Cousins and Dobbs would both
resign. I don’t think it matters that
much that FA comes before the draft. I
don’t think the draft factors anything into this decision. I think they’re going to want to have a
veteran QB and a rookie in the pipeline.
It’s really more on whether it’s Dobbs or Cousins as the veteran and I
think they’ll know all they really need to know by the end of the season as far
as Dobbs is concerned, and then it’s mostly a matter of how much Cousins can
show on the ankle before free agency hits and how much they trust an older QB
with an ankle that’s gone through the breaking and healing process. I don’t think Cousins is without question
marks. I think he’s answered some of
them, but people are always going to question whether he has the mojo to get
things done in the playoffs until he actually goes on a solid playoff run.
I think timing is important. At the time the Vikings will be making contractual decisions on Cousins, Dobbs, both or neither, they will know which QBs have declared, which draft slot they will be picking at, roughly how many QBs will go in the 1st round, and roughly what the odds are of them drafting one of the QBs they like.
Will it impact their free agency decision? It probably shouldn't, but I think it will factor in. But I think you're right that, at that time, Cousins will not be fully recovered, clouding the decision even more.
The only thing I feel remotely confident in is that the Vikings will not hand the keys to the '24 sportscar to Dobbs, barring what would have to be a ridiculous showing the rest of the season. Fingers crossed. So far, so good.
But I can't help but be reminded of how the Broncos were fooled into giving Case Keenum $36M based on a similar performance. The Vikings have to be really smart about this. There's a lot at stake.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ kmillard said:
I wonder if they can have a playoff run for the first time since January 88?
09?
winning multiple playoff games.
well we had a bye that year IIRC, so that was out of our hands, they shit stomped the cowboys, and if it werent from some real fuckery by the league and the saints they would have won the CG and likely the SB that year... IMO 09 was every bit as much of a run as any other disappointing ending to a great year we've had.
98 was almost as disappointing. I still want to see multiple playoff wins regardless of the circumstances.
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