Quote: @Mike Olson said:
We have to start keeping our players that are solid. We can't keep letting them test the waters thinking they will come back home.
Isn't that the whole reason many wanted to cut peterson before?
nobody is saying that we should let him test the market. its just a matter of Bob saying he thought he would demand more than the other top tier CBs are brining and I said that I didnt think that he is the type of player that would reset the bar in terms of top salaries at the position. hell yes we need to keep X, but we shouldnt grossly overpay for him either IMO. ( thats what got us stuck with an aging RB that wasnt performing nearly what his contract was calling for.)
Wasswa Serwanga is available.
Jimmy I'm messing with you.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@"Viking Bob" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Viking Bob" said:
$14 million a year is actually way less than I thought he would want or get
Lots of ways to work the $ and guarantees, but it looks like $14mm annually puts him in the Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Desmond Trufant neighborhood...
https://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/
I was honestly expecting around $18 million a year.
I think that might be the kind of money he would expect if he hit unrestricted free agency next March, but the cost should be lower under these circumstances, right? He'l get a raise over his 2017 salary (more money sooner) and get some guarantees ahead of this season (when he could get hurt).
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
Hes among the top CBs, but he isnt a rewrite the salary brackets, top paid in the league type of DB. Not trying to dis X, he plays the spot great, but he typically doesn't have to cover very long with our front 7 and the defense that Zim dials up. QBs aren't sitting on many routes to come open before they go looking elsewhere.
But the scheme and other players on a defense don't usually get factored in, do they? Brandon Browner got overpaid 2 years ago despite everyone knowing he was more product of the team he played on. I think a player would actually get angered if a team implied they were a "product of the system/team".
We need to sign Rhodes.
It is almost always advantageous for the team to resign the player before they enter the final year of their contract. Once you get to UFA or a franchise designation you're bent over the barrel a little bit. Agents argue that the minimum guaranteed money should be the current years base + the projected subsequent year base. Basically, if you enter into a contract now the team saves money and the player is guaranteeing that money in the off chance they are injured. This is especially true if they're coming off a rookie contract or 5th year option.
I am not an agent but here is what goes through my mind when I look at a Rhodes extension.
1. Rhodes has a fully guaranteed $8,026,000 base for the 2017 season.
2. The 2017 franchise tag for DB's was $14,212,000 and should be close to that in 2018.
3. Based on that you figure Rhodes will have cash flow in the range of $22.5M in years 1 and 2.
4. Recent comparable's are Stephon Gillmore (UFA deal) and Desmond Trufant (team signed). Both are 5 year deals with an average salary of $13.5M with 43% of that guaranteed at signing.
That ultimately leads you to a proposed Rhodes deal: 5 years (yr 1 is the end of his current deal) for $70M with $30.0M guaranteed.
2017: Base Salary - $8,026,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $0 / Cap Hit - $10,026,000 / Dead Money - $30,000,000
2018: Base Salary - $8,500,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $410,000 / Cap Hit - $10,910,000 / Dead Money - $28,000,000
2019: Base Salary - $8,500,000/ Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $410,000 / Cap Hit - $10,910,000 / Dead Money - $17,500,000
2020: Base Salary - $12,000,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $660,000 / Cap Hit - $14,660,000 / Dead Money - $7,000,000
2021: Base Salary - $13,000,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $660,000 / Cap Hit - $15,660,000 / Dead Money - $2,000,000
2022: Base Salary - $15,200,000 / Signing Bonus - $0 / Workout Bonus - $660,000 / Cap Hit - $15,200,000 / Dead Money - $0
Due to his player option the practical guarantee is a 3 year deal worth $35,846,000 (roughly $12M/season) going year to year in 2020-2022.
Quote: @NFL Draft Guru said:
@ Jor-El said:
@"Viking Bob" said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Viking Bob" said:
$14 million a year is actually way less than I thought he would want or get
Lots of ways to work the $ and guarantees, but it looks like $14mm annually puts him in the Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, Desmond Trufant neighborhood...
https://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/
I was honestly expecting around $18 million a year.
I think that might be the kind of money he would expect if he hit unrestricted free agency next March, but the cost should be lower under these circumstances, right? He'l get a raise over his 2017 salary (more money sooner) and get some guarantees ahead of this season (when he could get hurt).
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
Hes among the top CBs, but he isnt a rewrite the salary brackets, top paid in the league type of DB. Not trying to dis X, he plays the spot great, but he typically doesn't have to cover very long with our front 7 and the defense that Zim dials up. QBs aren't sitting on many routes to come open before they go looking elsewhere.
But the scheme and other players on a defense don't usually get factored in, do they? Brandon Browner got overpaid 2 years ago despite everyone knowing he was more product of the team he played on. I think a player would actually get angered if a team implied they were a "product of the system/team".
We need to sign Rhodes.
It is almost always advantageous for the team to resign the player before they enter the final year of their contract. Once you get to UFA or a franchise designation you're bent over the barrel a little bit. Agents argue that the minimum guaranteed money should be the current years base + the projected subsequent year base. Basically, if you enter into a contract now the team saves money and the player is guaranteeing that money in the off chance they are injured. This is especially true if they're coming off a rookie contract or 5th year option.
I am not an agent but here is what goes through my mind when I look at a Rhodes extension.
1. Rhodes has a fully guaranteed $8,026,000 base for the 2017 season.
2. The 2017 franchise tag for DB's was $14,212,000 and should be close to that in 2018.
3. Based on that you figure Rhodes will have cash flow in the range of $22.5M in years 1 and 2.
4. Recent comparable's are Stephon Gillmore (UFA deal) and Desmond Trufant (team signed). Both are 5 year deals with an average salary of $13.5M with 43% of that guaranteed at signing.
That ultimately leads you to a proposed Rhodes deal: 5 years (yr 1 is the end of his current deal) for $70M with $30.0M guaranteed.
2017: Base Salary - $8,026,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $0 / Cap Hit - $10,026,000 / Dead Money - $30,000,000
2018: Base Salary - $8,500,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $410,000 / Cap Hit - $10,910,000 / Dead Money - $28,000,000
2019: Base Salary - $8,500,000/ Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $410,000 / Cap Hit - $10,910,000 / Dead Money - $17,500,000
2020: Base Salary - $12,000,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $660,000 / Cap Hit - $14,660,000 / Dead Money - $7,000,000
2021: Base Salary - $13,000,000 / Signing Bonus - $2,000,000 / Workout Bonus - $660,000 / Cap Hit - $15,660,000 / Dead Money - $2,000,000
2022: Base Salary - $15,200,000 / Signing Bonus - $0 / Workout Bonus - $660,000 / Cap Hit - $15,200,000 / Dead Money - $0
Due to his player option the practical guarantee is a 3 year deal worth $35,846,000 (roughly $12M/season) going year to year in 2020-2022.
so whats the hold up... get it done.
Thanks for laying it all out for us.
I figured it is worth mentioning that typically you don't keep years 1/2 flat but I opted to structure it that way due to the number of contracts the Vikings are going to be writing in the coming seasons. They did a similar structure with Smith's extension and it staggers the cash flow for ownership.
Any links to articles about these discussions between vikings and Rhodes?
Quote: @twgerber said:
Any links to articles about these discussions between vikings and Rhodes?
No - I'm reporting it.
Quote: @twgerber said:
Any links to articles about these discussions between vikings and Rhodes?
Links? Links?!
Son, the op is THE Link...
The Rhodes deal is inevitable at this point. Just need to finalize cash flow and get the signatures to finalize it. Rhodes is about to be the highest paid member of the Vikings defense.
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