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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/forme...velop-qbs/
Whether this is true or not, who knows....but I think we can all agree that it certainly happens where a great QB prospective goes to the wrong team/organization/coach and the table is set for that person to fail.
But I personally agree with Smith's statement here: "There is a different mentality, from my career, when you play for an offensive head coach that wants to light up the scoreboard and outscore the opponent," Smith said. "There's a different mentality you have, especially as a young quarterback versus a defensive head coach, when really the (coach's) mentality is 'Hey, don't screw up, don't turn the ball over, don't put us in a bad situation.' ... That's a huge difference in a mentality and a mindset for a young quarterback, especially if it's a bit rocky to start."
We saw that with Zimmer and Case Keenum. And Cousins to an extent. He loved Teddy because he was a game manager....although he's thrown 47 INTs against 75 TDs in his career, so although not horrible, not great either.
I think there's some truth to this. But let's not pretend that it would only take an offensive coach to fix Zach Wilson.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
I think there's some truth to this. But let's not pretend that it would only take an offensive coach to fix Zach Wilson.
I don't think this is Smith's point, I think its more that the HC didn't help things. And lets face it: he'd know a lot more than any of us.
I think a strong mentor veteran QB, and a HC and OC that are confident in their job would do wonders for a lot of these young QB "busts".
Not everyone can make it in the league, and that includes lots of highly drafted guys. Everyone deserves to land in a great spot but guys who don't still make it on talent and determination.
And frankly it's kind of a thin argument. Saleh is a defensive guy but Wilson's being coached by the offensive guys on the staff not Saleh.
As for "lighting up the scoreboard", the kid couldn't complete 5 yard dump offs. Maybe Saleh could run onto the field and pat him on the head after each miss?
I watched a lot of Jets ball last year and he was utterly putrid, and it was not because 'Robert Saleh didn't want to score'. It's also not a good sign that his teammates hated him.
Aside: I have to confess that the Jets have been my AFC team since I was kid back when Broadway Joe was the man. It's debatable who's given me less to cheer about--them or the Vikings. But now I have to root for...Aaron Rodgers. I just threw up in my mouth. :#
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I think a strong mentor veteran QB, and a HC and OC that are confident in their job would do wonders for a lot of these young QB "busts".
I am trying to recall recent times a franchise QB was mentored by a winning QB, Favre/Rodgers, Smith /Mahomes, Jackson/Wilson  . Not disagreeing with you just wondering what the current trend is.
I’m of the mindset that you really should just go all in on
offense right now and worry about the defense when you are good enough to have
a chance at something great. The league
is just set up for offense. Get an elite
offensive mind at HC that’s not going to disappear once you have some success. Get some blockers. Get enough WRs/TEs for your QB to flourish. Just set up everything to maximize your QBs
chance at becoming great. I think there was
a time where a defensive HC was fine, and minimizing TOs while shutting down
their offense was a strategy, but the league has outlawed defense. Your offense needs to be able to outscore
theirs.
That said, it’s easier said then done and a lot of these
teams are dumpster fires and ruin prospects, elite HC’s are just as hard to
find as elite QBs.
I didn't read the article so it may have been mentioned that his QB coach that he was working with before his rookie season died riding his bike. He really went to the wrong team for him which was obvious to most of us. I still think the kid has a shot under the right circumstances but not in a major market like NYC.
Wrong coach. Wrong market. That deer in the headlights look that Wilson had after the draft said it all to me. Here's a guy that was used to being the big fish in a small Mormon pond drafted to play for a fiery Defensive Coach in the largest and most aggressive media market in football. Wilson needs a KJO type coach (offensive guru, upbeat/supportive personality) and needs to play in a smaller market where he isn't on the big stage all the time. He had some issues with footwork and the like coming out of college but I think that's overshadowed now by issues with the team and market. I think he'll likely be ruined by the time he gets to the right situation as NYJ decide to move on.
Quote: @comet52 said:
Not everyone can make it in the league, and that includes lots of highly drafted guys. Everyone deserves to land in a great spot but guys who don't still make it on talent and determination.
And frankly it's kind of a thin argument. Saleh is a defensive guy but Wilson's being coached by the offensive guys on the staff not Saleh.
As for "lighting up the scoreboard", the kid couldn't complete 5 yard dump offs. Maybe Saleh could run onto the field and pat him on the head after each miss?
I watched a lot of Jets ball last year and he was utterly putrid, and it was not because 'Robert Saleh didn't want to score'. It's also not a good sign that his teammates hated him.
Aside: I have to confess that the Jets have been my AFC team since I was kid back when Broadway Joe was the man. It's debatable who's given me less to cheer about--them or the Vikings. But now I have to root for...Aaron Rodgers. I just threw up in my mouth. :#
Agree. We have decades of evidence--QBs drafted high and low, by offensive teams and defensive teams, and QBs who go from one to the other and back again. I tend to think you can either play in the NFL or you can't. And no switch in a team's "style" is going to turn a bust into a star or vice versa.
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